[quickthrower2]

We need models that need less language data to train. Babies learn to talk on way less data than the entire internet. We need something closer to human experience. Kids have a feel for what is bullshit before they have consumed the entire internet :-).

I think feeding the internet into a LLM will be seen as the mainframe days of AI.

[nikhil896]

My counter-point to this is that babies are born with a sort of basic pre-trained LLM. Humans are born with our analogical weights & biases in our brains partly optimized to learn language, math, etc. Before pre-training an LLM, the weights & biases of their analogical brain are initialized with random values. Training on the internet can IMO be seen as a kind of "pre-training"

[Volundr]

> Babies learn to talk on way less data than the entire internet.

Is this actually true? My gut check says yes, but I'm also unaware of any meaningful way to actually quantify the volume of sensor data processed by a baby (or anyone else for that matter), and it wouldn't shock me to discover if we could we'd find it to be a huge volume.

[quickthrower2]

Ah yes. I should be more precise. Less data that is textual. Of course other data sources are plentiful. Including internal and external sensory.

[pyuser583]

Babies in ancient societies certainly had less exposure to written language, much lower vocabulary, less exposure to music, etc.

[Volundr]

Sure the breadth is (maybe) smaller, but the question is volume. Babies get years of people talking around them, as well as data from their own muscles and vocalizations fed back to them. Is the volume they have consumed to the point the begin talking actually less than the volume consumed by an LLM?

[pyuser583]

If you’re taking about babies in ancient societies (which I am), the answer is absolutely yes. They were exposed to much less language, and much less sound, than we are.

[Volundr]

Really? How much less? I'm far from convinced that if you sum up the sheer volume of noises heard, as well the other neurological inputs that goes into learning to speak (ex proprioception) you'd come out with a lesser number than what LLMs are trained on, but I'm open to any real data on this.