[Gare]

Prolonged exposure to loud sounds, short extremely loud sounds (explosions), ototoxic drugs (some antibiotics, chemo..) and substances (toluene..) and viral infections that spread into inner ear can all cause cochlear damage and therefore tinnitus.

[collyw]

Covid vaccines as well.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8788157/

I know, I am a heretic for drawing any negative attention to our savior from the deadly pandemic.

[dahart]

Covid vaccines do sometimes lead to increased tinnitus symptoms. But you can’t draw any conclusions from that, because getting COVID often leads to increased tinnitus. I’m not sure whether it’s known yet, but it very well may be that on balance there are fewer cases of tinnitus associated with the vaccine than with the virus. Also, BTW, flu vaccines and catching the flu both have reports of tinnitus increase. My theory: any inflammation event may be likely to increase tinnitus symptoms.

[collyw]

What difference does it make if covid causes it? Most people took the vaccine, pretty much everybody got covid anyway. The vaccine was voluntary (with a lot of unethical coercion).

[dahart]

What do you mean what difference does it make? Isn’t it clear that you cannot attribute tinnitus to the covid vaccine, if the covid virus (or any virus, or any vaccine) causes tinnitus as much or more often than the vaccine does?

If the per-capita rate of onset tinnitus symptoms when getting the vaccine is lower than the rate of onset tinnitus when catching covid, then the vaccine isn’t just not implicated, it’s effectively helpful at reducing tinnitus, as a byproduct of reducing cases and/or severity of covid illness.

[collyw]

Pretty much everyone got covid anyway. The vaccine was an unnecessary intervention that didn't do anything to stop covid and caused harm to many people. Just admit you were conned into taking it.

Haven't you noticed, after smearing, slandering and discriminating against those who chose not to take it, there is very little interest in following up with comparisons between the two groups? You would have expected scientists to be really interested in comparing the groups considering it was done under Trump's operation warp speed, and used a novel technology never before approved for human use. Instead the vaccine free are ignored. Tells me all I need to know.

[dahart]

I haven’t had covid, as far as I know. Of course I saw the recommendations to get the vaccine, but I didn’t see any smearing or slandering or conning, I don’t know what you’re referring to. The company I work for did allow vaccinated people to return to work before unvaccinated people, and to me that seemed like a prudent choice at the time, but the vaccine requirement was dropped at my work a long time ago. I’m sorry that your choice had unfairly negative consequences for you, especially if you felt bullied.

Please keep in mind that it doesn’t really matter if a lot of vaccinated people still got covid later. That was expected, because the ‘vaccine’ was not a covid cure. If the spread was slowed and the symptoms were reduced significantly, then the vaccine was successful. There has been lots of science on the unvaccinated, and it found that they died and were hospitalized from covid at much higher rates than vaccinated people. I believe there is plenty of science still happening on the secondary effects of the vaccine, so being unaware of it doesn’t mean it’s not happening. I’m not aware of “harm to many people” who took the vaccine. What harm are you referring to, and how many people were harmed, exactly? Did that harm happen less often or more often than to people who got covid? Just like with tinnitus, you can’t take anecdotes out of context when it happens to someone vaccinated if you don’t compare it to people who weren’t vaccinated.

BTW, while the covid vaccine was an untested vaccine at first (like all vaccines before trials), it did go through trials and it was not untested technology. mRNA therapies had been used in other non-covid trials for a decade, and tested against other infectious diseases for several years before the covid vaccine was developed. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7956899/

Think about it: at this point, we have more data on the effects of the covid vaccine than almost any other vaccine or drug in all of human history. Concerns about it being untested did maybe make sense in March of 2020, but it has now been thoroughly tested and so those concerns don’t make that much sense to hold on to anymore, right?

So I take it you weren’t very interested in talking about tinnitus?

[Gare]

I got vaccinated three times (with Pfizer). No ill effects on my hearing/tinnitus (I was monitoring it). Then I got COVID (Omicron), was quite sick for several days (lost smell) and it seems the tinnitus worsened a bit in one ear. So... your mileage may vary, as with everything.

[collyw]

Th vaccine worked well then. Let me guess, it would have been so much worse without it...

[Gare]

I cannot test that counterfactual now, can I?

But some people had it worse, so I guess it didn't hurt. And it is probable that vaccines protected me from original strains, which were worse.

If anything, I'm dissapointed that they didn't develop vaccines for new strains soon enough.

[collyw]

The original strain was likely extinct by the time you got your vaccine. But take an extra booster for the same strain, that will fix it.