[dahart]

Covid vaccines do sometimes lead to increased tinnitus symptoms. But you can’t draw any conclusions from that, because getting COVID often leads to increased tinnitus. I’m not sure whether it’s known yet, but it very well may be that on balance there are fewer cases of tinnitus associated with the vaccine than with the virus. Also, BTW, flu vaccines and catching the flu both have reports of tinnitus increase. My theory: any inflammation event may be likely to increase tinnitus symptoms.

[collyw]

What difference does it make if covid causes it? Most people took the vaccine, pretty much everybody got covid anyway. The vaccine was voluntary (with a lot of unethical coercion).

[dahart]

What do you mean what difference does it make? Isn’t it clear that you cannot attribute tinnitus to the covid vaccine, if the covid virus (or any virus, or any vaccine) causes tinnitus as much or more often than the vaccine does?

If the per-capita rate of onset tinnitus symptoms when getting the vaccine is lower than the rate of onset tinnitus when catching covid, then the vaccine isn’t just not implicated, it’s effectively helpful at reducing tinnitus, as a byproduct of reducing cases and/or severity of covid illness.

[collyw]

Pretty much everyone got covid anyway. The vaccine was an unnecessary intervention that didn't do anything to stop covid and caused harm to many people. Just admit you were conned into taking it.

Haven't you noticed, after smearing, slandering and discriminating against those who chose not to take it, there is very little interest in following up with comparisons between the two groups? You would have expected scientists to be really interested in comparing the groups considering it was done under Trump's operation warp speed, and used a novel technology never before approved for human use. Instead the vaccine free are ignored. Tells me all I need to know.

[dahart]

I haven’t had covid, as far as I know. Of course I saw the recommendations to get the vaccine, but I didn’t see any smearing or slandering or conning, I don’t know what you’re referring to. The company I work for did allow vaccinated people to return to work before unvaccinated people, and to me that seemed like a prudent choice at the time, but the vaccine requirement was dropped at my work a long time ago. I’m sorry that your choice had unfairly negative consequences for you, especially if you felt bullied.

Please keep in mind that it doesn’t really matter if a lot of vaccinated people still got covid later. That was expected, because the ‘vaccine’ was not a covid cure. If the spread was slowed and the symptoms were reduced significantly, then the vaccine was successful. There has been lots of science on the unvaccinated, and it found that they died and were hospitalized from covid at much higher rates than vaccinated people. I believe there is plenty of science still happening on the secondary effects of the vaccine, so being unaware of it doesn’t mean it’s not happening. I’m not aware of “harm to many people” who took the vaccine. What harm are you referring to, and how many people were harmed, exactly? Did that harm happen less often or more often than to people who got covid? Just like with tinnitus, you can’t take anecdotes out of context when it happens to someone vaccinated if you don’t compare it to people who weren’t vaccinated.

BTW, while the covid vaccine was an untested vaccine at first (like all vaccines before trials), it did go through trials and it was not untested technology. mRNA therapies had been used in other non-covid trials for a decade, and tested against other infectious diseases for several years before the covid vaccine was developed. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7956899/

Think about it: at this point, we have more data on the effects of the covid vaccine than almost any other vaccine or drug in all of human history. Concerns about it being untested did maybe make sense in March of 2020, but it has now been thoroughly tested and so those concerns don’t make that much sense to hold on to anymore, right?

So I take it you weren’t very interested in talking about tinnitus?

[collyw]

You are willingly blind if you didn't notice the smearing and slandering and discrimination.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10294225/Its-time...

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/noam-chomsky-says-the-un...

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/16/politics/joe-biden-warnin...

And yes it does matter that people caught covid after as we were promised the opposite. Some people lost everything as a result of the totalitarian lockdowns so we could wait on the savior of a vaccine that turned out to b a complete failure. Some people lost their lives to the useless "vaccine".

No mRNA product had ever been approved for human us despite the decades of research. Why not?

And these "vaccines" caused tinnitus in many people, so it is relevant.

[dahart]

You’re talking about tabloid journalism?? The CNN link has no smearing, slandering or discrimination. It simply recommends the vaccine and says there are consequences to not taking it, which is true. It certainly has a lean toward recommending the vaccine, and it’s true that there could be consequences to taking it. That’s just a bit of bias, not slander or smear. Do you have personal experience that’s making you upset about the Covid vaccine?

Yes the vaccine might be relevant to tinnitus, and like I said Covid and the flu and catching a cold has also lead to many many people saying those things caused tinnitus. Claiming the vaccine itself is the direct cause of the tinnitus is unjustified and therefore misleading. If the cause is inflammation, then anything that causes inflammation can lead to tinnitus, whether it’s a vaccine or catching a flu or hitting your head. The tinnitus may have nothing to do with the Covid vaccine specifically, it may be nothing more than a byproduct of activating your immune system.