[duluca]

Yet it still sells vaporware. I was really excited for this company, but the self driving promises and fails, in addition to build quality issues made it a no go for me. While I buy new/unproven tech all the time, I guess I draw the line at cars.

[nxm]

Build quality issues are common with any new products (ask legacy automakers) and are really a non issues in Teslas now.

[alpaca128]

> Tesla Is the Most-Recalled Car Brand—By Far—of All Cars, Trucks, and SUVs

> Tesla Model Y was the highest, with 62.4 recalls projected over its 30-year lifetime

> The brand with the fewest projected recalls is Mercedes-Benz, followed by Toyota and Lexus.

https://www.autoweek.com/news/industry-news/a43625242/tesla-...

[renewiltord]

My Subaru has had far fewer and they're not a big deal. You just get them fixed when you take them in for scheduled service.

It appears that the Tesla recalls include things like https://repairpal.com/recall/22V063000

Those get fixed over the air. Can't say I'd care that much if I owned a Tesla. The number doesn't matter that much.

[hef19898]

It should. Cars get recalled for serious flaws. That means Tesla is shipping flawed products to paying customers that get used in the road, and then try to fix those OTA like some app on a phone. That is bad engineering, period.

[renewiltord]

Well, I don't think I'd be much bothered if I'm honest. Instead of going to the mechanic's it just gets fixed while parked outside? I think I would prefer that to my Subaru.

[hef19898]

You still don't get it. If a product requires so many fuxes after being shipped, it was not fully developed when shipped, and defective in tip of it. Hardware ain't software, and those recalls are just the peak of the iceberg, because a lot smaller issues come along withbsaid bad engineering that cannot be fixed with a recall: suspension, power train...

And the latter already shows in data published by the German TÜV (cars here get an official road safety check every two years, the results of which are being aggregated by brand and model and published regularly): Teslas are among the cars with the highest failure rates for cars older then three years.

[varjag]

My ID.4 had one recall but it's been at a shop over a dozen times now.

[jwestbury]

Just want to remind you that Tesla was delivering vehicles that didn't even have their seats attached properly[0]. Build quality issues are certainly something legacy automakers deal with -- but Tesla has generally brought these issues to an entirely new level.

0. https://electrek.co/2020/06/16/tesla-model-y-quality-issues/

[LeoPanthera]

> really a non issues in Teslas now

Citation badly needed, because the evidence is against you.

I bought a Model X three years ago. It's been in service more than 10 times. My neighbor bought a Model X this year. I asked him what was broken on it, and he laughed and said "Everything".

[iancmceachern]

I bought a brand new Scion FR-S, the first year if the first model ever. I've had zero issues and zero build quality issues in 100k miles. Same with our F-250.