[renewiltord]

My Subaru has had far fewer and they're not a big deal. You just get them fixed when you take them in for scheduled service.

It appears that the Tesla recalls include things like https://repairpal.com/recall/22V063000

Those get fixed over the air. Can't say I'd care that much if I owned a Tesla. The number doesn't matter that much.

[hef19898]

It should. Cars get recalled for serious flaws. That means Tesla is shipping flawed products to paying customers that get used in the road, and then try to fix those OTA like some app on a phone. That is bad engineering, period.

[renewiltord]

Well, I don't think I'd be much bothered if I'm honest. Instead of going to the mechanic's it just gets fixed while parked outside? I think I would prefer that to my Subaru.

[hef19898]

You still don't get it. If a product requires so many fuxes after being shipped, it was not fully developed when shipped, and defective in tip of it. Hardware ain't software, and those recalls are just the peak of the iceberg, because a lot smaller issues come along withbsaid bad engineering that cannot be fixed with a recall: suspension, power train...

And the latter already shows in data published by the German TÜV (cars here get an official road safety check every two years, the results of which are being aggregated by brand and model and published regularly): Teslas are among the cars with the highest failure rates for cars older then three years.

[renewiltord]

I mean, my car doesn't have a boombox or pedestrian warning system, so the former can't beat the latter on it. If the latter is louder than the former I wouldn't exactly be actually upset.

This honestly sounds like the conversations I'd have with people about the iPhone. Somehow it was the worst thing ever made but everyone who had a lot of money was buying one. When I eventually got around to getting it, it was awesome.

[hef19898]

A car with quality issues on structural and safety critical parts, e.g. suspension, is more like a faulty board in a phone that risks making the battery go boom. Nothing that can be fixed OTA, but something that needs repairs in a workshop. And statistics, now that Teslas are on the market long enough for us to have those, show that being the case with Teslas.

This is decidedly not a problem of the entertainment system. And all those recalls Tesla has, hint at some engineering deficiencies. Same for all other brands and cars with similar problems, which absolutely do exist. E.g. VW quality is in decline for decades by now.