[bobobob420]

New World Order is a paradigm where US runs the show for everyone else. The world’s largest democracy is a threat to this. One of the worlds largest economies is also a viable economic opportunity. + Military / Geopolitics. These are all factors in play at the same time

[JumpCrisscross]

> New World Order is a paradigm where US runs the show for everyone else

Have you watched our politics? We don’t want to run shit. Running shit is expensive.

Also, America did run the show. Twice. After WWII, when it held a global nuclear hegemony. And after the fall of the Soviet Union, when it was the sole superpower. Both times we basically did everything we could to slough off the responsibility.

[bobobob420]

US doesn’t want to run the world and control other countries? This is an incredibly immature understanding of geopolitics. Do you understand what NATO is? Do you understand how many military bases the US has. Do you understand the involvement of the US in wars outside its own country. Do you understand the political and military powerhouse the US is. Do you not understand these goals have been accomplished with only Russia and China pushing back? US has formed a strategic alliance with every powerhouse except Russia. What US wants occurs. It has nothing to do with money. It has to do with spheres of influence. I can’t believe I am downvoted for voicing my opinion by uneducated techies who do not understand global politics. This website becomes more like Reddit every week. Why am I downvoted for providing my opinion?

[JumpCrisscross]

> US doesn’t want to run the world and control other countries?

Of course we want more influence. But we don't want to run things.

It's not because we're nice people or whatever. It's because we're a maritime and trade power while our competitors have historically been land powers. We want someone rich we can trade with who takes care of their own problems at home.

> Do you not understand these goals have been accomplished with only Russia and China pushing back?

A lot of the world is constantly pushing back against all kinds of hegemony. To add to your list, there is no love lost for America in Brazil, much of Africa, most of the Arab world nor in Central Asia.

> What US wants occurs

Have you seen how discordant our alliance talks are? They're multilateral and messy. The only reason Europe and America are in step with one another is because of Russia. The only reason the Quad exists is because of China.

[_8j50]

How would EU be different? It is not a country but as an economy it has similar population as the US, geographical proximity to asia and africa and many well established economic powerhouses. If the US should feel threatned it would be by the EU.

The reason the US does not like China is not because of their economy but their politics and military ambitions. Both China and India have nukes so they can defend their territory against the US just fine. China wants to expand into taiwan, the south china see and even some west china territory India controls and who knows what else.

If you think about it, being wealtheir than the US does not affect the US much so long as the US is still a competing consumer economy and the dollar is the global currency (kind of like english being lingua franca, unless the world trusts China more than the US to pay its bills, RMB will never displace the dollar ) what changes for the US? So long as GDP is the same and the US does not rely on exports for survival it can still maintain the most powerful military. The problem is with China using their wealth to compete with the US military similar to USSR which might lead to a world war 3 situation.

India on the other hand, no doubt will improve its military but I don't see India spending 100B+ a year on military or foreign bases and multiple aircraft carrier strike force groups and all that. The only real conflict opportunity for India are pakistan and China but if India is allied with the US then the US and NATO countries will be a deterrent. Much of why India is neutral on ukraine and won't publicly be closer to the US is a result of economic dependencies such as oil and trade routes. A prosperous india might be able to break free from those shackles and equally compete with EU and the US as well as with China.

[bobobob420]

EU is part of Nato. US gave protection to EU if they protect US against it’s enemies. It all has to do with war. With NATO US can bully anyone and EU can feel protected. All wars are for power. All wars consist of alliances between nations. That is the new world order. Not some /r/conspiracy bs but straight military power and nukes. US plays games with countries to get best outcome as it a nations goals. Right now India will not bend the knee as Modi won’t sell out the country and give in to US. US is playing long game by being friendly with both China and India. China wants territory India has as per all the border skirmishes going on as per the 5 fingers of Mao. Instead of US telling China fuck off they play both sides in hopes of leveraging a situation to get military alliance. Through military alliance they can get the best economic deals, use the country up, and move on to next while adding another powerful ally to their list. You are doing too much analysis and not understanding the mechanisms of power which is simply military strategy and alliances. It is about who your friends are.

[anon291]

> If the US should feel threatned it would be by the EU.

The EU is a society that is winding down.

Americans are sensible and realize the future of innovation and progress lies in countries that have young people.

A bunch of old Europeans are not a threat. Europe is utterly feckless anyway and is unlikely to ever be able to field a large enough army to actually be a threat

[doktrin]

> Europe is utterly feckless anyway and is unlikely to ever be able to field a large enough army to actually be a threat

In a list of American geopolitical concerns, a traditional force on force land invasion wouldn't even make it into the top 100. Swap out "Europe" for any other political entity real or imagined and it would make no difference.

[hef19898]

Most of the EU is NATO, so no idea what you are talking about.

[local_crmdgeon]

I haven't seen it put this way - food for thought.

Reminds me of that attempted mass murder at yet another Winter Festival in France - doesn't make any sense that this would happen again and again by Islamists from a US perspective, but from a "fuck it, we're just giving up" perspective it makes perfect sense.