[helsinkiandrew]

Hadn't seen the tweet from Geoffrey Irving before:

https://twitter.com/geoffreyirving/status/172675427022402397...

> 1. He was always nice to me.

> 2. He lied to me on various occasions

> 3. He was deceptive, manipulative, and worse to others, including my close friends (again, only nice to me, for reasons)

[xrd]

It's a very strongly worded statement. Given how connected Altman is, it's very interesting that Irving would publicly state this.

It's either very courageous and in service to changing silicon valley, or also very manipulative and in service of benefiting his company. It feels like it could be both.

I'm left feeling like there are no angels here. (That's actually funny given how investors love to call themselves angels.)

In the end it appears Altman has looked out for himself above all else, which probably enrages his mentors and investors who don't like to lose control, including pg.

[ethbr1]

It's difficult to conceptualize someone who is ruthless, self-interested, and skilled enough to overcome all problems... except your control over them.

Eventually they look at you and decide you're the problem to be overcome.

Might not happen for a while, but inevitably will.

[PeterisP]

Nicely worded, but with regard to the OpenAI conflict I wonder if you intended this to be about Sam Altman or the topic of (G)AI safety or both?

[CSMastermind]

This is incredibly well put and not something I've seen articulated so clearly before.

[twic]

Are you talking about Sam or an AGI?

[ethbr1]

Maybe.

[pdonis]

> I'm left feeling like there are no angels here.

That's my feeling after watching all this play out over the last few days. I don't trust any of these people to be good stewards of anything that is supposed to benefit humanity.

[bmitc]

He said it in the Tweet that it was because people were attacking people, such as Helen Toner, that he knows to be good people.

[theGnuMe]

You've got a few billionaire teams in silicon valley not unlike say the NFL.

Team DeepMind Team Google Team Meta Team YC Team OpenAI Team Microsoft Team nVIDIA Team VC Team Thiel

There are probably more...

[rwmj]

Like an AI then.

[rsynnott]

I don’t see how 1 and 2 are compatible unless you have a really weird definition of ‘nice’.

[FireBeyond]

I think it'd be more accurate to substitute 'polite' or 'courteous' than 'nice'.

[coliveira]

This is the kind of person we have controlling the future of AI. He and Elon Musk. Between these two we are assured complete destruction.

[objektif]

What is wrong with Musk again?

[bmitc]

He personally does not like the color yellow, so he required it not used in safety contexts just because of that. So he put workers' safety at risk because he may have to see pictures or tour the area once every quarter. There are more stories like this ad nauseum. Or, you could just read his Twitter feed.

[machdiamonds]

You guys just believe whatever you read. Things that can easily be debunked with common sense. For example, there's a lot of yellow in this factory tour he did:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr9kK0_7x08

[bmitc]

I indeed see fairly minimal safety colors and patterns in that video. I don't know where you see "a lot".

And you do realize that there have been investigative journalists, federal inspections, and lawsuits regarding this? So all those people are just making it all up so that I can just believe whatever I read?

[VeejayRampay]

musk fanboyism is a religion, it doesn't have to be grounded in facts to be true to people who believe in it

musk is sending strike breakers to sweden to make it so that unions there can't do their job to protect workers so he obviously can't give a damn about his employees' safety

doesn't change the fact that people will still log on blogs and websites everyday to defend him like he's the second coming of jesus

[nullindividual]

That’s a rhetorical question, correct?

[callalex]

The blatant lying, mostly. https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/