[cfr2023]

I think Apple essentially sells disposable, glued shut, one time use electronics while grandstanding like crazy about the environment.

Lisa Jackson has probably the hardest job at the whole company, to drum up the stats and relativism to make it look like they are trying at all in any meaningful way, and not just lying about their portfolio of dystopian horrors and banal inconveniences.

[KennyBlanken]

The iPhone:

* always had the longest software support lifecycle in the industry. Only recently has Google tried to match them. My six year old iPhone only just stopped getting support for the current iOS release; it will still get security updates for a few more years.

* can be repaired quickly from parts likely stocked in repair shops almost anywhere in the world thanks to the relatively small number of models, whereas a local repair shop is unlikely to have parts for an Android phone, unless you happen to have a phone that was sold in large numbers in that locale

* can have its battery replaced with legitimate OEM parts, retaining waterproofing and whatnot, by Apple or third party shops who have been certified to do the repair correctly. No Android manufacturer does anything close to any of this.

* was one of the first phones to throttle CPU speed when it detects rising internal resistance from battery aging, thus prolonging the device's lifespan (which everyone shit on them for, claiming it was designed to 'force' people to upgrade, when it was exactly the opposite - it kept people's phones working longer than they otherwise would)

* has a charge/data connector much more durable than standard USB connectors, and it's still not placed on the motherboard like nearly every Android phone does; it's on an easily replaced board. The whole EU USB-C debacle about consumer rights. It was about other companies eliminating Apple's competitive advantage with the Lightning port, denying consumers the right to choose a different connector other than the planned obsolescence USB connectors. And you know what else? Nobody's iPhone has ever been fried by a Lightning cable, but there was a huge debacle over USB-C cables that would fry anything they were plugged into.

There's a reason iPhones retaining their value in the used market for years - and Android phones depreciate like a lead balloon.

> lying about their portfolio of dystopian horrors and banal inconveniences.

Ooooookay then.

[cfr2023]

I understand that you want to feel good about your purchasing decisions, but you just are not seeing how low you are setting the bar.

I use these products and am deeply invested in them. They are good, but much farther from perfect than you think. All of these stats are hollow relativism.

If two companies were detonating atom bombs in your neighborhood, but one provided you and your family with super solid umbrellas to catch the ash, you'd probably be swollen with praise for them as well.

There I go demonizing again... I really shouldn't be comparing a corporation with greater market value than the GDP of some countries to a nation state with the power to instigate generational environmental disasters. Totally different, not worthy of comparison at all.

[squeaky-clean]

What does one time use mean for a phone? You make one call and dispose of it? I used my last iPhone for 6 years, including a 3rd party screen replacement and battery replacement.

[cfr2023]

One person uses it, for a pre-determined amount of time dictated by security updates and software based gatekeeping, and then its time of usefulness has passed, and it can't be meaningfully put to any other use. In parallel, parts and service become scarce.

If you're advocating that the average user, or differently abled users get comfortable with the tweezers and pentalobe screws in order to extend the lives of their devices, I'm afraid you've lost the plot.

[riversflow]

My house is full Apple products, the average device is well over 5 years old. The gaming PC I built after the MBP I use is virtually worthless now, as the motherboard is fried and buying a new socket LGA 1150 motherboard just isn't worth it.

All electronics are the result of dystopian horors, and they generally don't have a very good shelf life. Are you aware of how many SuperFund sites are in Silicon Valley?

[cfr2023]

Pretty dull newsflash, this is the exact kind of weak, destructive relativism I was talking about in my post.

Apple's the worst, except for all the rest? I should lay off Apple because they're doing better than their competitors?

You're not opening any eyes by saying everyone is doing terribly, you're just responding to dissent with tired whataboutism and false claims of futility.

The market and regulators and device builders and customers could do better and should.

Apple wants to claim be leader in this space, they should do so with substance.

[riversflow]

My substance was that my Apple products consistently out live every other electronic manufacturer's. I have an iMac and a MBP that are both over a decade old now and run great. The hardware is excellent after putting a new battery in the MBP and an SSD in the iMac. Especially the 2013 MBP with Retina display, its still an awesome machine even at 10 years old. The biggest problems with old iPhones are banking Apps and cellular connectivity.

Until we find a way of mineral extraction and purification that isn't terrible, electronics are going to be bad. Could Apple work to improve that? Yes, and they should too. My point, which I'd argue is pragmatic, is that Apple makes the longest lived devices you can currently buy, and not by a little but by a lot.

Demonizing the current front runner in a competition you care about? ...well lets just say you attract more flies with honey than with vinegar

[cfr2023]

There is no demonizing taking place - they make shit that objectively lasts longer (good), but they glue it shut when they don't need to (bad).

The latter is such a poor environmental choice, that it negates the former, but you don't see it yet.

[KennyBlanken]

> there is no demonizing taking place

Buddy, you just said, and I quote: "lying about their portfolio of dystopian horrors and banal inconveniences."

Get a grip.

[cfr2023]

I have a strong grip on the meaning of these words and the organization I have observed as a customer and user for decades.

How about you get a dictionary and encyclopedia and learn what dystopian horrors and banal inconveniences are?

Then look at Apple's factories, mining operations, glued together, locked down, borderline unrepairable products, and a big old pile of lightning cables and see that is an apt, fair and even charitable description of their activities.

Or you can just take yours and grip them to your chest and cry, whatever works for you.

[riversflow]

> they glue it shut when they don't need to (bad).

Disagree. Glue isn't really that hard to deal with and likely makes the phone substantially more waterproof. It's really not hard, at all, to deal with glue, it's typically dissolves in acetone and only requires mild heat to overcome.

[cfr2023]

I'm using "glue" as a stand-in for all of the measures they use to lockdown their products when there is no physical need for it.

Nonetheless, you're selling "typically dissolves in acetone" as a user friendly, easy to repair, best in the industry experience? Should we give them a special award with text that is flanked by sprigs of wheat?

You don't realize how low you are setting the bar here.