[riversflow]

My house is full Apple products, the average device is well over 5 years old. The gaming PC I built after the MBP I use is virtually worthless now, as the motherboard is fried and buying a new socket LGA 1150 motherboard just isn't worth it.

All electronics are the result of dystopian horors, and they generally don't have a very good shelf life. Are you aware of how many SuperFund sites are in Silicon Valley?

[cfr2023]

Pretty dull newsflash, this is the exact kind of weak, destructive relativism I was talking about in my post.

Apple's the worst, except for all the rest? I should lay off Apple because they're doing better than their competitors?

You're not opening any eyes by saying everyone is doing terribly, you're just responding to dissent with tired whataboutism and false claims of futility.

The market and regulators and device builders and customers could do better and should.

Apple wants to claim be leader in this space, they should do so with substance.

[riversflow]

My substance was that my Apple products consistently out live every other electronic manufacturer's. I have an iMac and a MBP that are both over a decade old now and run great. The hardware is excellent after putting a new battery in the MBP and an SSD in the iMac. Especially the 2013 MBP with Retina display, its still an awesome machine even at 10 years old. The biggest problems with old iPhones are banking Apps and cellular connectivity.

Until we find a way of mineral extraction and purification that isn't terrible, electronics are going to be bad. Could Apple work to improve that? Yes, and they should too. My point, which I'd argue is pragmatic, is that Apple makes the longest lived devices you can currently buy, and not by a little but by a lot.

Demonizing the current front runner in a competition you care about? ...well lets just say you attract more flies with honey than with vinegar

[cfr2023]

There is no demonizing taking place - they make shit that objectively lasts longer (good), but they glue it shut when they don't need to (bad).

The latter is such a poor environmental choice, that it negates the former, but you don't see it yet.

[KennyBlanken]

> there is no demonizing taking place

Buddy, you just said, and I quote: "lying about their portfolio of dystopian horrors and banal inconveniences."

Get a grip.

[cfr2023]

I have a strong grip on the meaning of these words and the organization I have observed as a customer and user for decades.

How about you get a dictionary and encyclopedia and learn what dystopian horrors and banal inconveniences are?

Then look at Apple's factories, mining operations, glued together, locked down, borderline unrepairable products, and a big old pile of lightning cables and see that is an apt, fair and even charitable description of their activities.

Or you can just take yours and grip them to your chest and cry, whatever works for you.

[riversflow]

> they glue it shut when they don't need to (bad).

Disagree. Glue isn't really that hard to deal with and likely makes the phone substantially more waterproof. It's really not hard, at all, to deal with glue, it's typically dissolves in acetone and only requires mild heat to overcome.

[cfr2023]

I'm using "glue" as a stand-in for all of the measures they use to lockdown their products when there is no physical need for it.

Nonetheless, you're selling "typically dissolves in acetone" as a user friendly, easy to repair, best in the industry experience? Should we give them a special award with text that is flanked by sprigs of wheat?

You don't realize how low you are setting the bar here.