[jorgemf]

You are assuming that the whole existence of humanity is to work? because, without working, they would be sloths? What about expending more time having healthy habits like working out, meeting more often with family and friends, discovering the world, learning new stuff? So retired people are just sloths?

[TerrifiedMouse]

I’m more worried about people not being able to feed themselves because their labor became worthless. They will effectively be frozen out of the economy as they have nothing to trade with.

[jorgemf]

If AI does everything, the economic won't make sense anymore. Maybe there would be a basic rent or just anyone will ask for what they want and AI will provide it.

We though AI would replace the low level jobs first, but it seems creative jobs are gone first (art, software developers, etc). Bear that in mind.

[TerrifiedMouse]

No matter who gets replaced first, someone is getting screwed.

Frankly, if it's the higher end jobs getting replaced first that would likely spill over to the lower end ones as the those people who lost their jobs resort to taking lower end work to survive, flooding the market.

[jorgemf]

That's under the assumption that nothing else will change. But it is not the case, the system would have to adapt. One possibility is that we wont use money anymore, and there are a lot of in betweens in the middle. But for sure what you cannot do is to stop the change that is coming.

[TerrifiedMouse]

How to adapt the system is the big question. In the worst case the system doesn’t adapt and lots of people are plunged into poverty.

[someplaceguy]

So you think that in a world of AGI, humans will have all our needs met by machines?

Or do you think there will always be space for humans to provide value to other humans, even if machines surpass us in intelligence?

[TerrifiedMouse]

Frankly, I think eventually machines will do it all. I see AGI as the universal automation that can do everything a human can - apart from “being human”.

[someplaceguy]

Well, that's it, isn't it?

Even if AI can do everything, you'd still want the authentic human experience.

99% of people are far smarter than horses but people still pay to ride horses.

I don't see why someone wouldn't want to pay to... ride me... uh, in a matter of speaking, of course (of course). I mean, look at me.

[TerrifiedMouse]

> 99% of people are far smarter than horses but people still pay to ride horses.

How many working horses are there today vs before automobiles?

Heck, how many domestic horses are there today vs before automobiles?

[someplaceguy]

> How many working horses are there today vs before automobiles?

Well, exactly. The less working horses there are, the more expensive and exclusive it would be to ride them.

There could be 1 trillion automobiles and I bet you, none of these automobiles would compare to riding a real, live horse.

Similarly, there could be 1 trillion AI robots, they could do everything better than a human, and yet I bet you'd still want to ride (or otherwise experience) a real, live human.

My point is that if automobiles were always better than horses in every way, then nobody would want horses. But even today, with the amazing automobiles that we have, some of which even faster and more reliable than most horses, it's clear that we still want horses.

My question is, if horses were as intelligent as us and they could have their basic needs met extremely cheaply, would they be willing to work at all, apart from the occasional ride? Because the horse labor pool would shrink immensely if they didn't really want to work.