[steve_adams_86]

Unreliable deployments are my experience as well. I also encountered unexpected and unannounced downtimes surprisingly often.

I was excited about fly, but ended up sticking with digitalocean. I have only had one issue with deployment reliability there (when they changed their build tooling for Python applications on the apps platform), but they responded quickly with a fix and shortly after announced the change and potential issues to all customers. Fly is not like this, and as a hobbyist I don’t have the time or energy to deal with their platform’s issues. I’d rather pay for something I can depend on. DO has been amazing in that regard, and their tooling is excellent.

I’ve used vercel in a professional context and wouldn’t use it for personal work. The markup is crazy and the tooling isn’t appealing enough to justify the cost. This is definitely a subjective matter as opposed to reliability and communication which are objectively necessary. Vercel just “rubs me the wrong way”, and I’m sure many people here love it.

[danpalmer]

At my last place we ran into a number of issues with using DO in production. It was fine for dev machines, testing, etc, but we had production downtime due to DO's networking setup, and support were unable to understand the problem, let alone fix it.

Quick summary: we backed up our other prod hosting to DO over SSH. One day our backups went offline, DO claimed this was because of a DDoS attack, but our backups were working fine and there were no noticeable effects. Only one port was open, SSH, and we had great security on it. Support re-enabled networking for the host, backups resumed, then the next day the same thing happened again. We told them not to do this, and they said they could not, and that we should "put Cloudflare in front of it", completely missing how that was not possible or useful for our case, and missing the fact that we were not having any problems other than DO disabling networking.

[solarkraft]

That level of uselessness is impressive. They must've trained on Microsoft's forum.

[steve_adams_86]

Wow, that’s exceptionally unhelpful. It hasn’t been my experience, but this mirrors my experience with fly. I guess we’re never safe, haha.

I’ve had several projects of varying complexity running with excellent uptime, both on the apps platform and on plain old droplets, for longer than I can say with certainty. Close to 8 years I guess. I might just be lucky, but in that time I really can only remember the one unexpected outage.

[corobo]

I really want to love Fly (for some reason? Maybe I've succumbed to the darling effect? Idk, their tech is cool in any case)

But yeah, failing deployments and the weirdness around persistent storage (if my VM starts up on another physical host my data just no longer exists) I can't use them. I'd be doing the same amount of systems work as I would anywhere bespoke, with less ability to fix any issues that come up

This is fine for the app part, 12 factor and all that, but I don't want a database relying on it.

Really hope they fix these two issues somehow, I've had to learn kubernetes instead lmao (I was going to get round to it anyway in all fairness)