[nickpp]

Ever heard of second order effects? Dumb laws have consequences. I live in EU and browsing the web in EU has significantly degraded since GDPR compared to the US.

I can see a cause and effect, I don't need to invent conspiracies and accuse the industry that provides me goods and services I actually want.

[troupo]

> Ever heard of second order effects? Dumb laws have consequences.

What exactly is dumb about "you can't collect user data wholesale, but if you want to do it, you have to ask the user for consent"?

Why are so willing to blame the law for something that the industry is doing, and you're giving the industry the carte blanche to do whatever they please

> I don't need to invent conspiracies and accuse the industry that provides me goods and services I actually want.

There's no conspiracy. The conspiracy is literally what you're saying: that the law makes the good benevolent industry put up these cookie banners riddled with dark patterns that list hundreds of data brokers. Instead of, you know, literally following the law.

[nickpp]

> Why are so willing to blame the law for something that the industry is doing

When a whole industry (and, mind you, pretty much any business with a website, not just those selling ads) reacts identically to a law is either a conspiracy or I can safely blame the law for that.

I live in EU and my employer has a cookie banner even if never storing any private data nor having any ads on the website. Just for Google Analytics. But GDPR is so bad that the lawyers advised us to have the cookie banner just to be safe.

[troupo]

> reacts identically to a law is either a conspiracy or I can safely blame the law for that

Or the whole industry either doesn't care and relies on consultants like OneTrust to provide them with "GDPR Compliance" or know exactly what they are doing.

> Just for Google Analytics. But GDPR is so bad that the lawyers advised us to have the cookie banner just to be safe.

See, you're just parroting others (and your lawyers) even though in the last 6 years you could've read the law yourself.

You couldn't even show me where the law requires these dark patterns and selling of your data to the highest bidder out of hundreds of data brokers.

The reason your lawyers told your company to implement the banner is because your company is responsible for the data it transmits to third parties. And you've decided to use Google Analytics which collects significantly more data than is strictly required, and is a third party.[1]

"Oh mu god this bad no good law requires us to be careful with user data boo hoo"

[1] And is also problematic due to Cloud Act (US) and Schrems II (EU)

[nickpp]

So - let me get this straight - a whole industry does something in response to a law, something consultants and lawyers advise and approve of, but - you know better. You understand the law better than them, you understand their business better than them, you know their tools better than them.

Who are you then?! Are you a consultant? A lawyer? A business owner? Can you even show me in the law the accepted patterns for simple, common usage scenarios like analytics? Then for all the less commons scenarios for each business? Are you willing to guarantee your advice with your money? Can a business come to you and sue you if your advice was faulty and they got fined by one of the distributed institutions enforcing GDPR in any of the EU countries?