[FirmwareBurner]

>If you are having trouble competing with a newcomers who barely speak the language, don't know anything of your culture and they grew up in a much poorer conditions in a country with much less opportunities, then it's on you.

It's funny to blame others for being wage dumped on as being their own fault, as long as it's not your job that's threatened form wage dumping.

[haspok]

So whose fault would it be? Let me rephrase the question: who is picking strawberries from the fields in the UK now?

I recommend everyone to watch the series called "Benefits Britain: Life on the Dole" (mostly available on YT). I don't even blame these people, they are just doing what the system lets them get away with.

[FirmwareBurner]

That's just pointless whataboutism. Workers being wage dumped on by cheaper more desperate workforce that puts downward pressure on the labor market reducing their power to negociate higher wages, and people choosing to live on the dole because they're fuckups at life, are two different orthogonal issues that are unrelated.

Imagine you graduate form university and apply for jobs where your employer receives 1 resume for every position open. What happens with your bargaining power when your employer can now hire from anywhere in the world without any visa barriers and now receives 200 resumes for the same position?

[haspok]

> reducing their power to negociate higher wages

"Negociate"?

> Workers being wage dumped on by cheaper more desperate workforce...

"Wage dump" - that word again. So this is how people pick up policital slogans and start repeating them, without even thinking about how much of it is true. I don't think it is true.

> people choosing to live on the dole because they're fuckups at life

Think about who is paying for their benefits.

> What happens with your bargaining power when your employer can now hire from anywhere in the world without any visa barriers

Right, because that's what's going on in the UK. I don't think anyone suggested anything even remotely like that. In fact, I don't know of any country that does that.

[FirmwareBurner]

>Negociate"?

Yes, negociate, bargain, haggle, call it whatever you want. Everyone negociates their wage, or at least tries to. Do you not where you live?

>"Wage dump" - that word again. So this is how people pick up policital slogans and start repeating them, without even thinking about how much of it is true. I don't think it is true.

What's your point? That if your boss would have 10x the number of candidates your wages and negotiation power wouldn't tank?

[mrtksn]

>wage dumping

That's made up word. It's actually competition and everyone has right to compete. If you don't want wages go below some level simply set the minimum wage to that level.

What's next? Are we going to start issuing licenses for using JavaScript because the tech sector slowed and it's easy to learn a JS framework to compete for the available jobs?

[FirmwareBurner]

>That's made up word.

Are you literate?

> It's actually competition and everyone has right to compete.

Ah yes, the "free market" argument again.

You see, when you can't afford a house anymore because the central bank and government fucked you over and your wages are stagnating thanks to unfair competition from migrant workers, then there's nothing we can do about it it's just the "free market supply and demand".

But when workers' wages start getting too high for employers' linking as he can only get a platinum trim yacht instead of the diamond one, then it's no longer the hand of the free market working in the workers' favor but it's now called a "labor shortage" so all unions must be defanged and immigration barriers must be removed to ease the so called "labor shortage".

Now that's propaganda.