[ganeshkrishnan]

ALSO: It's ok to criticize US for the past war, for faking evidence in UN and making up excuses to invade a country.

But to critique US involvement in Ukraine which is extinguishing a whole country with their forced mobilization just for the sake of drip buying US arms? That's heresy and punishable with de-platforming.

[dang]

Please don't use HN for ideological or nationalistic battle, no matter wrong others are or you feel they are. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

[starik36]

The Russian trolls never seem to take a rest.

[dang]

Please don't use HN for ideological or nationalistic battle, no matter wrong others are or you feel they are. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

[ganeshkrishnan]

sure,everyone against this senseless war is a "russian troll". I am old enough to remember the rabid shrieking against Iraqi war, calling them traitors, death threats to anyone against the iraqi war (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks_comments_on_Georg...), boycotting france because they didnt want the war (Freedom fries?)

We are sleep walking into a global disaster by interfering in everyone else war.

Blame russia for all the problems in the country. Makes it easier to blame someone else

[swatcoder]

I agree with you that blindly attacking war critics is ugly, especially for remote wars and wars of influence.

At the same time, nobody was surprised that Russia and NATO disagreed over whose sphere of influence Ukraine resided in. The “Ukraine Problem” and how it would culminate was making it into popular foreign policy writing 50 years ago, and was part of diplomatic and intelligence strategies long before that.

Putin is getting old and sick and made a play for his legacy, hoping NATO would be too war-anxious to act. That didn’t work out.

Critics should have their voice heard because there always new questions about how to proceed, or whether past choices were well made, but that conflict was prefigured for decades and is not an “everyone else’s war”.

[ganeshkrishnan]

This is a war for the resources of East Ukraine and the Oil, Natgas in black sea; hence the Biden investment in Burisma.

This is not an ideological war (Technically no war is!) or "sphere of influence"

[redeeman]

care to attack his argument instead?

[mywittyname]

Ukraine is fighting for their continued independent existence. They know that, if they lose, they will be the victims of genocide (as those in occupied lands have encountered).

[ganeshkrishnan]

Crimea, lugansk, Donetsk, mariupol is all business as usual. Ukrainians care neither about Ukraine government nor Russian government. They just want the war to end regardless of which oligarch is ruling over then.

[_kbh_]

> Crimea, lugansk, Donetsk, mariupol is all business as usual. Ukrainians care neither about Ukraine government nor Russian government. They just want the war to end regardless of which oligarch is ruling over then.

The fierce resistance the Ukrainians are providing would appear to indicate they very much do care about who is ruling over them.

[redeeman]

> The fierce resistance the Ukrainians are providing would appear to indicate they very much do care about who is ruling over them.

Yeah, they pretty much had a choice, no? I mean, they were allowed to leave the country, right? right? oh but atleast they could voice their frustration by joining opposition parties? right? Oh well but atleast the good comedian has made Ukraine far more tolerant of LGBTQ, right? oh...

[ganeshkrishnan]

You didn't get my point.

>Crimea, lugansk, Donetsk, mariupol is all business as usual

In all these places the ukrainians are back to work. There are live webcams on the internet if you want to watch these places.

>The fierce resistance the Ukrainians are providing

Mostly by the extreme far right azov regiment. Which were banned from receiving any funds from US till Obama administration. Trump overturned it.