Please don't use HN for ideological or nationalistic battle, no matter wrong others are or you feel they are. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.
sure,everyone against this senseless war is a "russian troll". I am old enough to remember the rabid shrieking against Iraqi war, calling them traitors, death threats to anyone against the iraqi war (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks_comments_on_Georg...), boycotting france because they didnt want the war (Freedom fries?)
We are sleep walking into a global disaster by interfering in everyone else war.
Blame russia for all the problems in the country. Makes it easier to blame someone else
I agree with you that blindly attacking war critics is ugly, especially for remote wars and wars of influence.
At the same time, nobody was surprised that Russia and NATO disagreed over whose sphere of influence Ukraine resided in. The “Ukraine Problem” and how it would culminate was making it into popular foreign policy writing 50 years ago, and was part of diplomatic and intelligence strategies long before that.
Putin is getting old and sick and made a play for his legacy, hoping NATO would be too war-anxious to act. That didn’t work out.
Critics should have their voice heard because there always new questions about how to proceed, or whether past choices were well made, but that conflict was prefigured for decades and is not an “everyone else’s war”.
Ukraine is fighting for their continued independent existence. They know that, if they lose, they will be the victims of genocide (as those in occupied lands have encountered).
Crimea, lugansk, Donetsk, mariupol is all business as usual. Ukrainians care neither about Ukraine government nor Russian government. They just want the war to end regardless of which oligarch is ruling over then.
> Crimea, lugansk, Donetsk, mariupol is all business as usual. Ukrainians care neither about Ukraine government nor Russian government. They just want the war to end regardless of which oligarch is ruling over then.
The fierce resistance the Ukrainians are providing would appear to indicate they very much do care about who is ruling over them.
> The fierce resistance the Ukrainians are providing would appear to indicate they very much do care about who is ruling over them.
Yeah, they pretty much had a choice, no? I mean, they were allowed to leave the country, right? right? oh but atleast they could voice their frustration by joining opposition parties? right? Oh well but atleast the good comedian has made Ukraine far more tolerant of LGBTQ, right? oh...
> Yeah, they pretty much had a choice, no? I mean, they were allowed to leave the country, right? right?
They are in a war, its not at all surprising they have closed the border to people leaving there country is literally having a crisis over its very existence.
> oh but atleast they could voice their frustration by joining opposition parties? right? Oh well
They banned the pro Russian parties, which is totally reasonable given the current invasion by Russia, you can join any of the other political parties that aren't pro trying to actively wipe Ukraine off the map.
> Oh well but atleast the good comedian has made Ukraine far more tolerant of LGBTQ, right? oh...
>. In all these places the ukrainians are back to work. There are live webcams on the internet if you want to watch these places.
Yes for most, then occasionally things explode with the occupiers on board, I suspect being a mayor or high up position of an occupation government in occupied Ukraine is one of the deadliest jobs in the world at the moment.
> Mostly by the extreme far right azov regiment. Which were banned from receiving any funds from US till Obama administration. Trump overturned it.
The entire country and army is providing fierce resistance. But if you want to talk about far fight extremists why dont we talk about Wagner who was led, by a man with literal swastikas and other nazi imagery tattooed on him until he exploded in mid air.
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