[jorvi]

> not the monsters that GitHub/Lab

You mean cloning a repo and then simply pushing upstream?

I can’t fathom how anyone would think that is more complicated than e-mail push workflows.

It’s like someone telling you that IRC is “obviously” less complicated than setting up a Discord account.

[notpachet]

There's complexity and then there's complexity. Your end user experience as a Discord user may be simpler on its face, but it's reliant on a lot of obfuscated complexity under the hood. You wouldn't be able to, say, send Discord messages using telnet, the way you can with IRC. Discord's simplicity in setting up an account, joining servers, having scrollback, etc comes at the cost of other types of simplicity.

People in this thread are talking past each other without realizing that they are expressing different preferences about where complexity belongs in a tool.

(For the record, I happen to be on the IRC / git mailing list side of the spectrum.)

[LudwigNagasena]

“Obfuscated complexity” aka good UX that decreases friction and increases velocity.

[notpachet]

Again, friction and velocity of what? It's a lot easier for me to write an IRC bot than a Discord bot. But other things are much harder to do with IRC. People are looking at different vectors.

[BaculumMeumEst]

your parens enclose the most unneeded addendum i have ever seen

[notpachet]

That's surely hyperbole. You can just say "This is unnecessary" and it achieves the same purpose. Maximalist comments like this tend to amplify the tension in these sorts of discussions.

[BaculumMeumEst]

yes it is hyperbole

[severus_snape]

For most channels you don't need an IRC account. And there are web interfaces like https://web.libera.chat/.

I'm trying to subscribe to Discord. I'm currently stuck in a captcha loop.

[pxc]

100%.

Clicking a link to open a chatroom directly, with no account creation process, is infinitely simpler than account creation, potentially with several layers of verification (CAPTCHA, email, phone verification to join a server...).

[rakoo]

You mean

- cloning the repo in github to your own fork

- cloning your fork locally

- pushing to your local fork after you've made your change

- opening a PR

Which is the expected flow for any project you're not already part of, ie all of them.

The email workflow:

- send an email

I can't fathom how you can say the email workflow is more complicated.