[jraph]

No. This is a very bad summary of what I carefully tried to make, that completely misses the point.

I'm sorry I was not clear enough, but I'm afraid I won't be able to express myself better so I'll just leave it at that.

You are free to make this point if you want, just don't make it look like it comes from me because it doesn't.

[sdfghswe]

Cool I'll make the point then.

I've learned about communism from two types of sources. Philosophy books and history books, and the takeaways are quite different.

[flir]

That is a /great/ line. Kudos if you came up with that.

I don't agree with it, but you've coined a first rate phrase there.

[jraph]

Yes, so you conclude that theoretical communism leads to these horrible regimes.

It's a reasonable hypothesis, just not the only one.

This week I only saw white people in the streets. I could conclude all people walking in my city are white. But that's false.

[sdfghswe]

Counter example please?

[jraph]

We don't have any counter example.

But I'd say we don't have any example neither: regimes from your history books weren't "communism" we find in your philosophy books. You can see it if you read both carefully enough.

(and again, I'm not stating communism can work, because we don't know that).

But even if we assume both "communisms" are the same: you are saying "Communism has failed N times, therefore it will always fail". You don't know that (though I would admit it's quite solid evidence in this case)

We don't know. And I'm not arguing for or against communism here neither.

[sdfghswe]

Riiiight.

So would you agree with the statement that all attempts failed?

You see, you're mockingly presenting me as simply going "never happened therefore can't happen". I would say that you're the extreme opposite where you're going "what happened doesn't matter, we learned nothing from it".

You know, we can reason about the future past the data...? There's a reason why communism failed all attempts. That reason is something which apparently you're missing, but I'm using to support my prediction that it can't work.

[jraph]

> So would you agree with the statement that all attempts failed?

Yes, to the extent there were none, really. And if we consider all the regimes calling themselves communism, yes, sure, failed in every possible ways too, of course.

> you're mockingly

No no no, I wouldn't dare making fun of you / mocking you. I have no interest doing so and I would not find this funny. I'm sorry I made you feel I'm mocking you, in any case that was not my intent.

> There's a reason why communism failed all attempts.

You didn't address the hypothesis I exposed in my first comment and that I will restate: any regime calling themselves "communism" were set up by huge assholes using the noble name to call their totalitarian views and misusing the concepts to make it look more legit. Maybe they even liked the idea but still wanted the power.

I feel like I won't convince you and that's fine.

On my side, I haven't discarded the hypothesis that communism can't actually work. We don't know either way.