[jraph]

Yes, so you conclude that theoretical communism leads to these horrible regimes.

It's a reasonable hypothesis, just not the only one.

This week I only saw white people in the streets. I could conclude all people walking in my city are white. But that's false.

[sdfghswe]

Counter example please?

[jraph]

We don't have any counter example.

But I'd say we don't have any example neither: regimes from your history books weren't "communism" we find in your philosophy books. You can see it if you read both carefully enough.

(and again, I'm not stating communism can work, because we don't know that).

But even if we assume both "communisms" are the same: you are saying "Communism has failed N times, therefore it will always fail". You don't know that (though I would admit it's quite solid evidence in this case)

We don't know. And I'm not arguing for or against communism here neither.

[sdfghswe]

Riiiight.

So would you agree with the statement that all attempts failed?

You see, you're mockingly presenting me as simply going "never happened therefore can't happen". I would say that you're the extreme opposite where you're going "what happened doesn't matter, we learned nothing from it".

You know, we can reason about the future past the data...? There's a reason why communism failed all attempts. That reason is something which apparently you're missing, but I'm using to support my prediction that it can't work.

[jraph]

> So would you agree with the statement that all attempts failed?

Yes, to the extent there were none, really. And if we consider all the regimes calling themselves communism, yes, sure, failed in every possible ways too, of course.

> you're mockingly

No no no, I wouldn't dare making fun of you / mocking you. I have no interest doing so and I would not find this funny. I'm sorry I made you feel I'm mocking you, in any case that was not my intent.

> There's a reason why communism failed all attempts.

You didn't address the hypothesis I exposed in my first comment and that I will restate: any regime calling themselves "communism" were set up by huge assholes using the noble name to call their totalitarian views and misusing the concepts to make it look more legit. Maybe they even liked the idea but still wanted the power.

I feel like I won't convince you and that's fine.

On my side, I haven't discarded the hypothesis that communism can't actually work. We don't know either way.

[sdfghswe]

> You didn't address the hypothesis I exposed in my first comment and that I will restate: any regime calling themselves "communism" were set up by huge assholes using the noble name to call their totalitarian views.

Ok lets break it apart.

> any regime calling themselves "communism" were set up by huge assholes ( ... )

Agreed.

> ( ... ) using the noble name to call their totalitarian views.

Wrong. Research into the inner circle writing of Stalin show that he and the top people in the party believed themselves to be communists and doing the right thing for the ultimate goal of making the world communist. He wasn't just "using the noble name" (lol?). He behaved like a communist even when no one was looking as per the decisions he made even after attaining absolute power. I'd suggest you read Steven Kotkin's book "Stalin". Of course, if you dispute the expert take I'd have to ask for your credentials.

EDIT: bit frustrating to talk to someone whose starting point is "it's unknown if X" when X has been known for a long time. It's like, do your homework before coming in here. I'm out, good luck.

[jraph]

> "using the noble name" (lol?)

Taking a shortcut. I meant using a name that possibly had good reputation back then.

For the rest, I'm no expert on the topic, you seem to know better than me, continuing to argue would be pointless.

edit: (to answer your edit) Okay, but then why didn't you counter me right away with solid arguments if you had them from the start? Happy to learn from an actual expert! Like, you could have just written: "Actually, there's strong evidence that both are the same. Here are some references: ..."