[blagie]

.... somewhat ....

In the US specifically, there are protected first amendment rights.

However, plenty of people have genuine reason to be concerned. Stalkers. Witness protection. Etc. Having managed large datasets, these things come up fairly often. There's an incredible diversity of potential problems.

It's not reasonable to tell everyone who has an issue like this: "Well, don't go out into public then"

[boffinAudio]

>somewhat

Its a universal human right, actually, to be able to record anything you can perceive in public ... without that right we cannot exercise political freedom or our rights as individuals for redress.

>It's not reasonable to tell everyone who has an issue like this: "Well, don't go out into public then"

Of course it is. They have equal rights - and equal opportunity, therefore, to express - or not express - these rights.

It is entirely up to the individual to make the decision to exercise those rights and to not deny them to others for any reason, as it is a fundamental, universal human right to record others in public.

[blagie]

> Its a universal human right, actually, to be able to record anything you can perceive in public ...

No. It's not. Here: https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma...

If you believe something is a right, and most other people don't, it's definitely not a universal right.

What is an established universal human right is: "No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks."

> without that right we cannot exercise political freedom or our rights as individuals for redress.

Yes. We can. We've done it since long before cameras existed, even. Where I live is moving towards a balance where, very grossly oversimplified:

- Government officials have very little privacy protection, and first amendment trumps privacy

- Private individuals have a lot of privacy protection, and privacy trumps first amendment

That seems reasonable.

I'd like corporations to have no privacy either, but that's not where we're landing.

[boffinAudio]

The Right to Record is clearly protected under provisions of international human rights standards such as the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and Universal Declaration of Human Rights that protect freedom of expression, freedom of assembly, and the right to information

[blagie]

You're making shit up. You posted the same comment in several places, and it's false. It's not helpful or constructive.

If you believe a law says something, quote it.

Right to expression doesn't cover this, under any non-crackpot interpretation. The International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights even has an explicit carve-out from right to expression for the rights or reputation of others to demonstrate which one takes precedence.

If you want to make up your own laws, please go register yourself as a "sovereign citizen," and wait until someone throws you in prison (and perhaps, then, realize it doesn't work that way).

I get you'd like this to be a right enshrined in law, but it's not, and it won't be, and it can't be.

Actually, better thing to do: Go to a Muslim country, start taking photos of strangers, and then waive your claims around. Let us know how that goes for you.

[34679]

The founding fathers didn't record any video, publicly or privately. They were still able to "exercise political freedom".

There's no such thing as a "fundamental, universal right" that requires the possession and use of a product.

[JohnFen]

> Its a universal human right, actually, to be able to record anything you can perceive in public

I completely disagree that this is (or should be considered) a universal human right at all.

[boffinAudio]

The Right to Record is clearly protected under provisions of international human rights standards such as the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and Universal Declaration of Human Rights that protect freedom of expression, freedom of assembly, and the right to information.

[barrysteve]

Political freedom is exercized at the ballot box, not in photos of my wife.

[boffinAudio]

The Right to Record is clearly protected under provisions of international human rights standards such as the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and Universal Declaration of Human Rights that protect freedom of expression, freedom of assembly, and the right to information.