[pvg]

"has navigation that takes you to open source stuff" is not "claims it's open source". The title is just wrong and they have clearly fixed the thing people were complaining about last time. It's not reading between the lines, it's simply misreading.

[cxr]

> we no longer use the term "Open Source" as to not confuse it with the OSD.

<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23235217>

What am I misreading?

[pvg]

They don't use the term "Open Source" to describe their engine. They used to, years ago, and now they don't.

[cxr]

> We have updated the website to reflect this and we no longer use the term "Open Source"

They didn't say they were going to "no longer use the term (with respect to the Defold engine)". They said weren't using it. Why? Precisely so "as to not confuse it with the OSD". Let's recap:

They used to use the term "open source" (one part of an overall effort to misrepresent themselves and their work). Then they said they took it out—which means that if the term is there now—and it is there now—then they either didn't actually take it out, or they took it out and then put it back in, even after saying they were "sorry for misrepresenting the license under which we make the source code available".

Prevaricating on the whether or not a known bad actor is technically wrong in sidling up next to a line they've already once crossed isn't a defense of the subject of here—because the subject is not strictly confined to whether or not they are crossing it now. It is the very fact that they've indisputably crossed line before, admitted to it and issued a presumed sincere apology when called out, and yet here they are—reaping the rewards of the misleading[1] way in which their messaging is being perceived (again).

1. <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/misleading>

[pvg]

'Prevaricating', 'known bad actor', all of this is your gloss on something that happened 3 years ago and a response to the wrong title. . They didn't write the title and have a nav bar that mentions open source. Lots of companies with closed source products have open source navbars, entire open source-titled sites. It's a boring high-dudgeon tangent.

[cxr]

> 'Prevaricating', 'known bad actor', all of this is your gloss on something that happened 3 years ago

My "gloss" of something they themselves acknowledged—how are you not getting this?

It's like if someone gets charged with something, briefly attempts to maintain some dubious and not-terribly-convincing story that they didn't do the thing, but then does eventually cop to doing the thing, gets a light sentence for having acknowledged that they did the thing (maybe even cheered on for their humility in doing so), and then three years later upon having some new sketch called out, defenders leap up saying, "oh, well that's just your take; prove they'd ever done that". They already acknowledged it themselves; that's not a "move" that's available to you anymore, bud. These are total motte-and-bailey shenanigans.

> and a response to the wrong title. . They didn't write the title

I flag comments that complain about titles. Between the two of us, you are the only one to have mentioned the title of the submission—which isn't even the title anymore. (Repeatedly. Why?)

You can continue to try to get me to direct my attention to the title, and I will continue to ignore it and limit my comments to what's actually at issue. Go ahead and keep strawmanning the shit out of me, though. Maybe it'll stick.

[pvg]

The issue is that there is no issue other than the title being wrong in a triggery way - as you personally know, people care about this sort of thing a lot but in this case it was a simple mistake by the poster. I emailed the mods and they fixed it. The other thing was fixed by the makers of this thing three years ago.

Let's make it stick by wrapping up here.

[SXX]

In my opinion they intentionally keep it misleading. And fact that every once in a while someone posts about their project with "open source" in title is good proof that it does confuse a lot of people.

[pvg]

It's proof that someone got something wrong in a title, a thing that happens on HN multiple times a day.