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by unsupp0rted 1017 days ago
> Complex animal life took 3.5 bn years to emerge on Earth,

How certain are we it took that long (the first time)?

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The fossil record. There is little evidence of very complex animal life before about 541 million years ago, which is when the Cambrian explosion begun.
When you say very little, do you mean none, or there is some questionable evidence?

I'm genuinely curious

Before "modern" life evolved in the pre-cambrian era, there was the Ediacaran life forms that were complex multicellular life, but died out millions of years before the Cambrian explosion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ediacaran_biota

Given the surface of the planet is such a dynamic environment, I wonder how much evidence we should expect even if it did exist.

See also: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/could-an-industri...

There's quite a few fossils showing single-celled organisms from 3+ billion years ago. I imagine if more complex life existed the fossils could've survived
Not certain at all, it’s based on last universal common ancestor estimates(LUCA) and supported by (lack of) fossil record.
Its possible there is a good explanation for why there would be no strong fossil record[0] for an advanced civilization preceding us.

>When it comes to direct evidence of an industrial civilization—things like cities, factories, and roads—the geologic record doesn’t go back past what’s called the Quaternary period 2.6 million years ago. For example, the oldest large-scale stretch of ancient surface lies in the Negev Desert. It’s “just” 1.8 million years old—older surfaces are mostly visible in cross section via something like a cliff face or rock cuts.

While I think its highly unlikely (I mean less than 0.00001% possible) the means in which we would could even detect it are complicated

[0]: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/04/are-we-e...

> it’s based on last universal common ancestor estimates(LUCA) and supported by (lack of) fossil record.

I thought the Cambrian Explosion's fossil record was pretty sizeable - in fact, it's named after the place where the fossil layer was first discovered. I didn't know it was related to a common ancestor. Are you thinking of something else or am I missing something major?

Yes but we’re talking about before the Cambrian
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>>> Complex animal life took 3.5 bn years to emerge on Earth,

>> How certain are we it took that long (the first time)?

> Not certain at all, it’s based on last universal common ancestor estimates(LUCA) and supported by (lack of) fossil record.

Do you mean, there's little evidence of pre-Cambrian absence? Absence of evidence is some evidence of absence, in this case.

But how does LUCA fit into this question?

I think we can see where different complex animals split in their evolutionary tree - so humans and starfish split a long way back. Then we use a standard mutation clock to estimate how long ago that was. If all complex animals split from simple animals an estimated 700m years ago...