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by screwturner68 1019 days ago
I live in a large city, I drive a small car and I only drive about 3000 miles per year. Right now gas is ~$5.35/g at the station down the street and it's ~0.18/KW. It takes 114KW to "fill" a Tesla S, so ~$20.50. The range on a Tesla S is 405 miles, so ~19.75 miles /dollar. My VW gets ~30MPG or ~5.6 miles/dollar. The numbers make sense as does the range, I don't know many people who drive over 400 miles per day ever. The issue as I see it is quality and price, Tesla is sub-Kia quality at BMW prices. Honestly I think a lot of people are just looking for an excuse not to move to an EV, just like they did with going to unleaded gas or using LED bulbs. Everything is going electric and people that can't see that are just willfully blind -the Saudis knew this years ago, I'm not sure why so many people think it's a surprise.

As far as soul, what is stopping auto makers from making cool looking cars, honestly I don't know. One of the things I thought was cool about the Tesla 1 was that it was a good looking convertible and not something that looked like a rolling doorstop (Prius). Maybe EV will usher in a new generation of car makers that will make good looking cars again, we can hope.

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> Tesla is sub-Kia quality at BMW prices.

Indeed. Plus locked down maintenance (using DRM to prevent you from fixing your own car), and constant invasive spying (including video from the cars cameras https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sens... ).

> not something that looked like a rolling doorstop (Prius)

Cars are shaped the way they are today for aerodynamic reasons.

> I live in a large city, I drive a small car and I only drive about 3000 miles per year.

Hopefully you can see that what works for you doesn't work for everyone.

Living in a city and only driving 3000 miles a year... Have you considered not owning a car at all? :)

Given your figures, at 3000 miles per year it would take 108 years for the improved fuel economy of the Tesla S to pay for its added cost over a Kia with comparable build quality.

This is part of the reason you don't see the improved $/mile being so heavily advocated for EV's especially high end ones: The improvement isn't enough to pay for the added cost, unless you're a very heavy user and heavy users have more range, recharging locations, and recharging time concerns.

A significant difference is that I can get around that range for a few grand, with an ICE. It’s disingenuous to omit initial battery/costs of ownership from these calculations. $/mile the actual metric (and that’s even difficult with the road tax evasion that EVs currently enjoy).

I own an EV, and love it, but I also suspect it’s going right to the dump after the battery gives out.

> Tesla is sub-Kia quality at BMW prices.

Buy an electric Kia or electric BMW then. Both are available here in Norway but the Tesla Model Y is still the best selling car in Norway.