[cannabis_sam]

Non-unionized tech workers finally facing the music…

The smart ones know what to do, hopefully they will be a majority against the ones indoctrinated into right wing market fundamentalism.

In any case, the unionization issue will sort itself out eventually, when the spoiled assholes are no longer in the industry, but damn it’s probably gonna be painful for a while.

[david38]

This is almost laughable.

A massive chunk of big tech exists to put others out of business, and by extension, out of jobs.

Simplest case: how many companies used to employ a team to administer their MS email solution? Outlook was once very dominant. I know my university did. Then places started jumping to Gmail because it saved money and was more reliable. You didn’t have to just trust your small onsite team.

Those jobs were cut. Yes, they found other employment usually, but that’s because of the relentless growth of tech.

A strong union would have done what? Prevented the switch to gmail?

[cannabis_sam]

Yes, tech eliminates other jobs, and like what the OG luddites had a problem with, the issue is not the technology or even the eliminated jobs, it’s the effect on the labor population. In the situation we are actually discussing in this thread, normal employees where terminated, and then replaced by employees on H1B visas, people in a vastly more precarious position, allowing the companies far more control over its employees. If you’re an employee, I’m curious how you feel this is valuable to you? Especially in the longer run.

Are you claiming people are not employed to maintain MS Exchange? That’s just a fairly simple issue of ignorance; get out of the SV tech bubble. Those jobs are not gone, albeit somewhat reduced in numbers by competitors providing better service like you say.

Unfortunately this also brings along the concept of outsourcing these jobs to countries with lower salaries because these “feelings-based” overpaid CEOs lack any other substantial ideas for reducing costs. A union that opposed this kind of globalization arbitrage, would have forced these overpaid CEOs to provide policies that actually increased profits, instead of simply exploit desperate employees in other countries. Ergo, weak unionization creates inefficiencies, who would have thought??

See also amazon drivers unionization efforts. A union would have very simply blocked the idea that drivers should be obliged to piss in bottles and shit in bags while on delivery.

I think we can safely conclude that most people enjoy deliveries NOT contaminated by feces, YMMV.

I mean, unless you are the rare tech employee who enjoys doing your toilet needs in a garbage can in the middle of your hot desked, open office. I’ll leave it as an open exercise for others to determine what’s more laughable.