[lelc]

> This creates another attack avenue, that is, you don't attack the results of the ballot, but you attack the entire system. You discredit the system because it is complicated, you use the limited understanding of the voter base to invalidate the results.

That is exactly what Bolsonaro did. He effectively proved the system is vulnerable to a trust attack... it does not matter if the system is safe from tampering if a significant part of the voters do not trust the system.

But this issue has become so politicized in Brazil that it has become impossible to discuss it reasonably. Pointing out any flaws in it is interpreted as an "attack to democracy".

[tmottabr]

first, paper ballot suffer the exact same problem..

In fact i strongly believe that Bolsonaro would do the same thing regardless of the system, if we had paper ballots he would complain it is not electronic.

The same trust attack you can do on electronic system you can do on analogical systems. Anything you do will be subject to this problem

second, the truth is that electoral system does not care if people trust in it or not. Even with Bolsonaro attacks and a massive distrust by the right wing on the system it was still used and the results accepted.

The only thing that matter is whatever you can prof in the electoral court if there was fraud and no one was able to do it, not even bolsonaro.

[lelc]

The main point is that it is a lot easier to trust something you can understand than some black-box machine certified by experts. Thus, eletronic voting systems are more vulnerable to trust attacks.

[tmottabr]

i agree that not understanding something make it easier to mistrust, but understanding does not ensure it will be trusted.. the same way not understanding something does not necessary mean people will not trust it..

paper ballots are easy to understand but it is know to have many vulnerabilities thus it suffer from trust attacks the same way..

On the other side, i think a good example is that most people do not understand 1% about how modern cars work yet many people trust then with their life daily..

I personally would not trust a 100% analog election with paper ballots and manual counting of the votes like old ages, but i do see the value on adding paper ballots on top of modern electronic voting system as another layer of audition.

You use the physical paper ballot that will be manually counted but digitally printed by the machine and thus could have an electronic signature to validate making it impossible to create fake votes. You could even have automated counting of those votes if you some qr code and only manually count the paper ballots in some cases.

all a person could do it trash some votes, but then the count between the paper ballots and the electronic consolidation would not match.