[freshhawk]

You left your cousin with arch installed but didn't tell him that it's necessary to keep a rolling release distro up to date?

Hell, I have to keep up with the mailing list and the news page on the website just to keep my OS working update to update.

It's worth it for me because of my needs but Arch is very very specifically NOT for the average user.

You basically set your cousin up to fail. And it's not like the branding and messaging isn't clear about any of these things. Why on earth did you pick Arch for this use case?

[DrCatbox]

Because what else can I pick? Ubuntu!? Ugh.

He tried Fedora earlier, we couldnt get it to work with his wireless-networking, SELinux always getting in the way as soon as he took his laptop with him somewhere, I got tired of pushing against a wall as I was becoming his support, and then he asked what Im using, how does it work for me. So Arch it was.

[freshhawk]

I suggest Linux Mint in that case. Ubuntu based, but no unity.

I totally understand where you are coming from, I love Arch and want to share how awesome it is from but all those problems were entirely based on a very poor suggestion for his use case. Arch doesn't "suffer" from this problem at all.

[zalew]

have you heard of Debian?