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by blitz_skull
1045 days ago
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> Objective moral truth as determined by who, you? I provided my sources, I welcome yours. I appreciate the good faith interpretation of my comment. Indeed I was not aware of the (seemingly) universal consensus on this topic within the scientific community. However, as I said earlier consensus does not in any way dictate morality. Indeed I wish objective morality was determined by me, but that is not the case. By definition, it is self-evident and requiring no proof. I'd submit that the source of moral truth would be whatever has created that which is created. Though we may disagree on that, our opinions and disagreement don't change reality. (Ironically, I think we can both agree on that point). Whether or not morality is universal does not change simply because one denies it. So again I say, the entire world coming together to congratulate itself on its "forward progress" by murdering the unborn, does not make it a good or moral thing. |
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> If we're going by this mindset, then we have to agree that Roe v Wade is perhaps the one of the worst events in all of American history
I strongly disagree with your original assertion that by applying the excess death metric to WWII or the pandemic we consequently have to agree on the applicability to abortion which is, as you have agreed, a morality discussion.
The question of whether abortion represents a tragic loss of human life is an entirely different discussion of morality for which I respect our differing views which need not be reconciled to resolve a debate on the most appropriate statistic to quantify the loss of human life during a pandemic or war as you stated in the original comment I replied to.
In fact, your usage of “unborn” obviates the debate. “Excess deaths” are derived from the population statistic and regardless of whether one believes a fetus has achieved moral personhood or whether abortion is murder we do not count an “unborn” person in the population or birth rate statistics prior to delivery (i.e. since inception the US has never counted a pregnant female as 2 people for census purposes) therefore abortion is not relevant to this statistical measure discussion.