[bluefone]

It surprises most of us because we have been brain-washed to think that science is good, myths are bad, to think that we can ignore our biology, gender, nature etc. How does relativity matter to human life? Why is the world filled with nukes, plastics, global-warming gases, GM foods, confusion about gender and biological roles? It's time to realize that the progress we made is actually degenerate and regressive from the view point of biological adaptation which is the only goal for humans.

[tux3]

I could hardly disagree more, in light of all the goodness, the lives saved, the artifice that we have gained through hard work and choose to not throw away every day.

The worries that we have today are, to me, preferable and much less violent, bloody, or tragic than the worries of yesterday.

I think diversity of opinion can contribute useful perspective, but I'd encourage not calling most people brainwashed who disagree. Even if that were true, it's hardly conductive to changing anyone's mind.

Sometimes people have different values and cannot agree. Assuming good faith can help cross that bridge.

[ponderings]

That is some great advice. For me the brainwashing diagnosis works like this: If you have control over someones mind the first thought to program into it is to have them think it isn't so. The false thoughts are locked into place with anger towards anyone who dares to question it. If there is a man behind a control panel or if the brainwashing evolved naturally doesn't really matter to the result but it does ask for different less crude terminology.

Here are some triggers: People are going to die anyway, people want to make an infinite amount of babies at all cost, we really want others to have less if as a result of it we can have more for ourselves. We love animals, then we eat them. We love nature, then we burn and cut it all down for personal gain. etc

I really believe eugenics is the dirtiest word in the dictionary. If you try talk about it Ill probably get angry much sooner than reasonable.

[nonameiguess]

Why are you even on this site? This is a fully general argument against intellectual curiosity, and the very mission of this site is to submit and discuss "anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity."

[ponderings]

Our intellectual curiosity is a very powerful thing and with great power comes great responsibility.

If anything is applied it becomes a defining ingredient of our society. Products we buy and services we use partially define who we are both personally and collectively.

To me that means that before you create a product or service, before you unleash the curiosity, you might as well ask yourself what kind of people you want to create.

Forget tinkering with whatever random thing is thrown in front of you. Put them all in a bag, carry it around and carefully examine some when you have the time.

There has to be something in the bag that modifies the humans in your preferred way.

What is wrong with people? What is their problem? You decide!