[tux3]

I could hardly disagree more, in light of all the goodness, the lives saved, the artifice that we have gained through hard work and choose to not throw away every day.

The worries that we have today are, to me, preferable and much less violent, bloody, or tragic than the worries of yesterday.

I think diversity of opinion can contribute useful perspective, but I'd encourage not calling most people brainwashed who disagree. Even if that were true, it's hardly conductive to changing anyone's mind.

Sometimes people have different values and cannot agree. Assuming good faith can help cross that bridge.

[ponderings]

That is some great advice. For me the brainwashing diagnosis works like this: If you have control over someones mind the first thought to program into it is to have them think it isn't so. The false thoughts are locked into place with anger towards anyone who dares to question it. If there is a man behind a control panel or if the brainwashing evolved naturally doesn't really matter to the result but it does ask for different less crude terminology.

Here are some triggers: People are going to die anyway, people want to make an infinite amount of babies at all cost, we really want others to have less if as a result of it we can have more for ourselves. We love animals, then we eat them. We love nature, then we burn and cut it all down for personal gain. etc

I really believe eugenics is the dirtiest word in the dictionary. If you try talk about it Ill probably get angry much sooner than reasonable.