[Ekaros]

Why stop at meat and dairy. Why not go all the way, select handful of optimal foods and only allow those to be sold or grown. Anyone doing anything else would heavily punished?

After all, if we ban beef. We have accepted that taste has no meaning in life and we can just ban everything not mandatory like spices and herbs.

[uxcolumbo]

Do you think that only animal flesh derived foods are tasty?

It's about cutting out food that create the biggest damage to our biosphere, which is the large scale meat & dairy industry.

RE: Why not go all the way, select handful of optimal foods and only allow those to be sold or grown. [...] ban everything not mandatory like spices and herbs.

This is not about banning meat & dairy. And you can't seriously compare meat & dairy to herbs & spices.

[bevesce-]

I'm eating vegetarian food most of the time, with an exception from time to time. I've tried doing vegan. Vegan food can be tasty or even very tasty. No vegan food is as good as steak or cheese. Another thing is that I have no idea how to eat enough protein, on vegan diet, without feeling terrible.

[uxcolumbo]

Respect for trying. Don't feel the pressure having to change all at once. You can gradually reduce.

Cheese is actually not that good for you [0], but yes it's tasty.

Plant based foods provide enough protein for athletes and body builders. [1] [2]

[0] https://www.pcrm.org/good-nutrition/nutrition-information/he...

[1] https://www.pcrm.org/good-nutrition/nutrition-information/pr...

[2] https://gamechangersmovie.com/

[bevesce-]

> Plant based foods provide enough protein for athletes and body builders.

I'm sure that anything is possible for highly motivated individuals for whom eating enough protein is one of the main parts of their lifestyle. I just don't know how to translate it to everyday cooking for a family.

Tofu and other soy products are not easily available where I live. I'm not sure if doing extra driving or ordering online from another country would be net positive.

Nuts are protein dense only when you count them by weight (grams protein per gram) but not that great by energy (grams protein per kcal).

I could eat beans and lentils for every meal but that's from where the part about feeling terrible comes.

It sounds like a list of excuses but it is something that is actually, for me, a daily struggle and source of stress.

[uxcolumbo]

Our requirements for protein isn't as high as claimed by the majority of the fitness industry or actually meat & dairy industry.

Read the PCRM article about protein I posted further above, it has more info about this. PCRM is a group of doctors and other medical experts.

Where are you based?

If you live in a region where you can't survive without meat or dairy then you've got to do what you have to do to survive.

My comments are mainly geared towards regions where the majority of people consume meat & dairy because of taste pleasure, not because they need it to survive.

[bevesce-]

> Our requirements for protein isn't as high as claimed by the majority of the fitness industry or actually meat & dairy industry. > Read the PCRM article about protein I posted further above, it has more info about this. PCRM is a group of doctors and other medical experts.

I find most research on the the topic to be of dubious quality. I know that when I have more protein in my diet I feel less hungry for longer and I eat overall less calories. Also I've been working out for couple of years with little to show for it. I worry sometimes that maybe low protein diet is a, or the, reason for that.

> Where are you based?

I live in a smaller, rather conservative city where it's hard to find anything but local cuisine.

> If you live in a region where you can't survive without meat or dairy then you've got to do what you have to do to survive.

I don't need it to survive. And it is something that I want to do. I just don't know how and I'm not able to find any useful resources.

[vkou]

Why have speed limits on the road?

We have accepted that human life is worthless, because cars are allowed to drive fast enough to cause fatal crashes, may as well remove all limits alltogether.

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Absolutist arguments are absolutely absurd.

[goatlover]

Vegan arguments are absolutist. Everyone isn't going to give up meat. I doubt even the majority of people will by 2050. However, it's possible enough people could be convinced to reduce meat consumption to make a difference. It alone won't solve climate change.