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by grrdotcloud 1064 days ago
I am always curious why one continues to believe the beliefs that lead to pain, suffering, and unhappiness.

Even if correct is being miserable worth it?

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It's morally repulsive to me to believe something just because it makes me feel better.
Those are good morals.

But if you have that kind of moral impulse, are you really a nihilist?

I agree that feelings are not arguments and that beliefs should be justified by arguments, and not feelings.

And yet, if you believe your spouse "is the one for you" but have no hard evidence to back it up, but you feel it with every fiber of your being, you will still make a gigantically life-impactful decision about this person that is COMPLETELY inarguable. :P

// It's morally repulsive to me to believe something just because it makes me feel better.

If you have an equally valid choice to believe something positive or negative, why would you chose the later?

Ideally you choose the one with the better logical argument. Feelings or consequences shouldn't factor in it.
Why not? If it's all the same in the end, feelings and consequences might be the most important factors.
Like I said, the two choices are equally valid.

Why would you assume that the shittier choice is more logical?

How you present yourself to others is probably a facade (Who can avoid it?) Is it morally repulsive to make others believe something to make yourself feel better?
If it's morally repulsive to do otherwise, wouldn't this stance be for the sake of feeling better?

I do agree with you; I just love the barber paradox as well.

Good point, I'm basing my rejection on my repulsive feeling. I'm not familiar with philosophy but I'm sure there are philosophers that have built up arguments on why a life based on seeking truth and logic is worthwhile.
Why?
(I wrote this whole comment to you only to find out just now that you deleted the original comment. Sorry, I had to convey it somehow. LOL)

I understand your confusion about using "entropy" outside a thermodynamics context, and you're absolutely correct to point out that the term "entropy" originated in the field of thermodynamics. However, the concept has been extended metaphorically in other fields to describe systems of complexity and order. It's in this latter, metaphorical sense that I'm using the term.

Now, let's apply this to living systems. Organisms are highly ordered, containing complex structures at various scales from cells to organs. They can maintain and even increase their internal order, or decrease their "entropy," by consuming energy from their environment (like food). This is the "detour into lower entropy" I was talking about.

While this seems to contradict the second law of thermodynamics, remember that organisms are not closed systems – they constantly exchange energy and matter with their environment. The increase in order within the organism is more than offset by the increase in disorder in the environment, resulting in an overall increase in entropy in the universe. This is completely consistent with the second law of thermodynamics.

What I find fascinating is that life can maintain this high degree of organization for such a long period of time, despite the natural tendency towards disorder. This is not to say that the process is unexplained; science has a lot to say about how this happens, but rather that it's a remarkable (and seemingly unique) characteristic of life. Does this make more sense? I hope this clarifies the concept a bit.

You're looking for pragmatism. Look up William James' Will to Believe.
what does it matter if it's worth it? You can only genuinely believe what you acknowledge to be true, and your happiness has no bearing on what is true, there's no choice involved. The moment you attempt to abolish what you believe, being aware you do it only because it causes you pain, it doesn't even work, you're just sort of trying to desperately gaslight yourself. Reminds me of a short poem by Stephen Crane

A man said to the universe:

“Sir, I exist!”

“However,” replied the universe,

“The fact has not created in me

A sense of obligation.”

Maybe the belief gives meaning which avoids confronting nothingness and meaninglessness.