[flaque]

This is the "anti-nuclear" of urbanism. AVs are safe now and they're only going to get safer.

You can't legitimately say you care about pedestrian and bike safety and then turn around and suddenly try and block AVs because the vibes are wrong.

[Fricken]

Matters of safety are not the only problem with our urban transportation systems, but the AV companies would like for you to think about it that way. It's single vector sci-fi.

[CamperBob2]

Perhaps, unlike disaffected urban youth (read: trust-fund anarchists), the AV companies are smart enough to address one problem at a time.

[Fricken]

Perhaps, unlike urban planners have spent decades studying and understanding urban transportation systems and their relation to the socio-economic fabric of cities, the AV companies are just part of another giant Silicon Valley circlejerk.

[CamperBob2]

The "urban planners" have had their say, and we've all seen the results. It's time to let someone else try.

[Fricken]

Go for it, but the cruxes of these problems aren't technological. They're political and cultural.