[Fricken]

Perhaps, unlike urban planners have spent decades studying and understanding urban transportation systems and their relation to the socio-economic fabric of cities, the AV companies are just part of another giant Silicon Valley circlejerk.

[CamperBob2]

The "urban planners" have had their say, and we've all seen the results. It's time to let someone else try.

[Fricken]

Go for it, but the cruxes of these problems aren't technological. They're political and cultural.