[sigstoat]

> It is very common among people who organized or were very active in summer 2020 anti-police violence protests

> ..., fraud, low level drug stuff...

fraud has a specific victim, someone who was defrauded. plenty of folks are out there fighting against drug laws. you're not going to find a lot of folks helping you defend fraudsters.

> I'm sure mine are just more criminal

i don't think any of that makes your friends, or those protests, sound better.

[fluidcruft]

From what I've heard on Darknet Diaries "wire fraud" and "mail fraud" seem to come up a lot in charges. "mail fraud" can be as little as putting something you're not allowed to mail into the mailbox or using a bogus return address. Pretending to not be yourself online can be "wire fraud" or accessing a computer or website you're not authorized to access (even if the website has trash security).

[gretch]

> accessing a computer or website you're not authorized to access (even if the website has trash security)

What does having "trash security" have anything to do with it?

In the real world do you look at a convenience stores and think "wow this store has such trash security, I can just take some things"?

[fluidcruft]

In the "real world" if you walk past a convenience store that looks open, its automatic front doors slide open, lights are on etc, and you go in and look around... do you think you're committing some sort of "fraud" because the owner says it's actually closed and you forgot to scrutinize the posted hours? I don't think most people would agree.

And that's what I would call "trash security" and the owner's own damn fault if they're upset that people walked in and looked around.

[gretch]

Let's be more precise with the analogy.

I don't think anyone has ever been convicted of wire fraud for looking around the store front, as in your analogy. Please cite a case if I'm wrong. I'm sympathetic to this cause.

But in the digital world and the real world there's a door called 'Employees Only' that goes to the back. In many stores in the real world, it's not even clearly labeled, people just have enough sense to not go back there or it's considered trespassing and unwelcome.

> And that's what I would call "trash security" and the owner's own damn fault if they're upset that people walked in and looked around.

When this happens in the real world we (as in most of society) think "Doesn't this guy have any common sense?". "Oh wow, this guy is the reason we have to put DO NOT DRINK on the bleach bottle - apparently if there's no sign then people will just do it"

[giraffe_lady]

We actually had a big thread about defending fraudsters a few days ago it was about wage theft though big difference I guess sorry you missed it.

Also notice where I didn't say they were convicted? Specifically in the fraud charge they were not.