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> accessing a computer or website you're not authorized to access (even if the website has trash security)

What does having "trash security" have anything to do with it?

In the real world do you look at a convenience stores and think "wow this store has such trash security, I can just take some things"?

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In the "real world" if you walk past a convenience store that looks open, its automatic front doors slide open, lights are on etc, and you go in and look around... do you think you're committing some sort of "fraud" because the owner says it's actually closed and you forgot to scrutinize the posted hours? I don't think most people would agree.

And that's what I would call "trash security" and the owner's own damn fault if they're upset that people walked in and looked around.

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Let's be more precise with the analogy.

I don't think anyone has ever been convicted of wire fraud for looking around the store front, as in your analogy. Please cite a case if I'm wrong. I'm sympathetic to this cause.

But in the digital world and the real world there's a door called 'Employees Only' that goes to the back. In many stores in the real world, it's not even clearly labeled, people just have enough sense to not go back there or it's considered trespassing and unwelcome.

> And that's what I would call "trash security" and the owner's own damn fault if they're upset that people walked in and looked around.

When this happens in the real world we (as in most of society) think "Doesn't this guy have any common sense?". "Oh wow, this guy is the reason we have to put DO NOT DRINK on the bleach bottle - apparently if there's no sign then people will just do it"