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by omnimus 1101 days ago
Why so much negativity? 37signals (with Stimulus) are the OGs of this architecture. Livewire started at same time as LiveView and because of PHPs limitations it has to use different tactics/innovations (like using clientside JS more with Alpinejs) that then LiveView benefits from.

Calling them poor imitations is disingenuous and spitting on open work of many people.
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regulation_d 1101 days ago
"Poor imitations" is probably harsh, but I agree with the idea that LiveView's architecture is substantially different from Hotwire or LiveWire. To have experienced Hotwire is not to have experienced LiveView, ironically enough, for reasons outlined in the posted article.
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omnimus 1101 days ago
But all this sounds like Hotwire/Livewire are not good architectures for many many types of projects.

Biggest Liveview app i know is fly.io dashboard and the issues it has from ux standpoint are very similar to hotwire apps.

Actually Basecamp and Hey.com are a lot bigger apps than fly.io dashboard and they are doing just fine.

You don't have to jump to Elixir to experience similar approach when you know rails/laravel already.

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