[omnimus]

But all this sounds like Hotwire/Livewire are not good architectures for many many types of projects.

Biggest Liveview app i know is fly.io dashboard and the issues it has from ux standpoint are very similar to hotwire apps.

Actually Basecamp and Hey.com are a lot bigger apps than fly.io dashboard and they are doing just fine.

You don't have to jump to Elixir to experience similar approach when you know rails/laravel already.