[themaninthedark]

It sounds to me like there are Top Mods who want to continue the boycott, with others who don't and that Reddit is looking at giving the other mods a path forward.

One of the things I have noticed is that the boycott is not from the users but from the mods of the community. Even if the community had a vote, if you want to boycott fine but they are forcing others to go along with with them.

So either they are not the majority or they feel that the community has such little willpower to continue the boycott that they must force them to take part.

[Maxion]

Huh? All subreddits that have ran votes, the community has been in majority favor of closing.

[intothemild]

I voted on a few of those, so these were real, and the outcome was overwhelmingly voting for blackout.

I think the larger issue is now the blackout is still continuing the addicts are needing their fix.

[themaninthedark]

I saw posts in threads here saying that some sub-reddits didn't have votes.

And the vote or not does not adress my point about forcing users who don't want to participate to have to.

If the majority of the users wanted to boycott, then if they don't go to Reddit.com, simple as that.

[p_j_w]

>And the vote or not does not adress my point about forcing users who don't want to participate to have to.

They're always free to go start their own subreddits.

[mardifoufs]

The same is true for the mods. Mods don't own subreddits, the community does. If they want to close down communities that aren't theirs, why not just quit Reddit? They are free to stop moderating.

[pseudalopex]

> Mods don't own subreddits, the community does.

Reddit's practices until now said the opposite.

[mardifoufs]

And that's a pretty terrible thing. I guess it's biting them in the ass now.

[PrimeMcFly]

Not what I've seen at all, which is why many subs are reopened with stickied posts saying it's what their communities wanted.

[s1artibartfast]

I think it is a weird subject for popular vote to begin with.

Every individual already had the option to post or not post, moderate or not moderate. The vote only impacted those who wanted to remain active.

[hackinthebochs]

Very likely non-representative due to sampling bias and brigading.

[ummonk]

r/pics had 56,000 votes. That would be quite a lot of brigading... https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/14b2a6q/poll_decide_o...

[pseudalopex]

Prove it.

[hackinthebochs]

That's not how it works. If you want to claim some poll as evidence of user sentiment, you have to prove that it is representative.

[pseudalopex]

Do you claim all polls are brigaded until disproven? Or those you don't like?

[hackinthebochs]

No, just the ones that people are strongly motivated to brigade, and ones where I saw discussion of discord groups where links to such polls were posted to mobilize brigaders. But none of that should matter. If you claim your poll is representative, you need to demonstrate it. Don't make claims that outpace your evidence. It's not that hard.

[slaymaker1907]

I guess r/SaltLakeCity and r/NewOrleans don’t exist.

[ahahahahah]

That is (1) not true and (2) meaningless given most of those polls were brigaded by a small set of vocal whiny users voting in subreddits they aren't even involved in (3) even given both if those, I doubt you can find a poll for a large subreddit that shows even 10% of users supporting a blackout.

[spicymapotofu]

So, can you show how most polls were brigaded?

[slaymaker1907]

r/freemagic users who were banned from r/magicTCG talked about voting in the r/magicTCG poll. Apparently, mods of r/tennis posted in a Discord asking people to come help and vote to support the blackout as well. A lot of polls were mentioned in r/ModCoord which biases strongly in favor of the blackout. There’s much more incentive to brigade on the blackout side since users who don’t care about the subs in question lose nothing by those subs going private.

[ahahahahah]

Eh, I gave you the clear out under #3 where you could show that these blackouts were really the will of the people. You haven't done that, if your strongest argument is about "oh, prove there was brigading", I think we're at the point where, at best for you, any polls are basically just meaningless (if they were meaningful you could use them under point #3 to refute me).

[burnished]

The communities I frequent voted for the blackout and voted again on whether to make it permanent

[jonathankoren]

First labor strike, huh?

Ask yourself, who told you that was true? The strikers? Or the guy with the vested interest in breaking the strike and desperate to find anyone -- literally anyone -- to cross the line?

[s1artibartfast]

Strikes can't stop people from crossing the line and becoming scabs. I think that sets this situation apart in an interesting way.

Subs didn't vote on if they wanted to keep posting/moderating. They essentially voted on if dissidents or the minority can keep posting/moderating

[jonathankoren]

They voted on making their subs private.

Everything you wrote is a gross misrepresentation of the stituation.

[s1artibartfast]

I think it perfectly accurate but maybe I'm missing something.

If I want to participate in a protest by not creating content, I don't need a vote or moderator permission to do so. I can just do it.

Going private means that people who want to post can't.

In terms of a strike, it wasn't some people walking out. It was a vote to walk out and then prevent everyone else who wants to work from doing so

[themaninthedark]

If the mods want to go on strike it's not a problem. What I am talking about is that the mods decided to drag the users into their issue.

I don't even use Reddit that often, I see that there is a vocal contingent that is telling me how Reddit is ruining Reddit.

If the company wants to kill their community, that is their prerogative. If it kills their company, that is what happens.

[bbor]

It sounds like that to you because they’re implying that, without evidence. Worth evaluating the biases of the sources here :)

[jayd16]

You'd end up with unmoderated subs if the mods just went on strike.

[themaninthedark]

And that would then be Reddit's problem would it not?

[jayd16]

Possibly much more harmful to the users.