[r0l1]

Can't say too much about it. Didn't really follow the whole Covid discussion and just continued my lifestyle. Eating healthy (fresh self-made food), doing sports and looking after a good mental state. Family and my circle did the same. Friends who have been vaccinated got Covid several times. But are also good now... My grandmom (89 years), also unvaccinated, didn't get Covid. Her sister got it (vaccinated). Both healthy now... Just let everybody do their own thing... The whole hate in the communities was unnecessary.

[anonymouskimmer]

Attitudes like yours are why it kept spreading instead of petering out. I'm not saying that people need to get vaccinated, but I'm god damn sick of people not caring about spreading disease, whether vaccinated, or not. Humanity, as a whole, is in a war with disease. We don't need collaborators. All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00319-9

> Healthy, young people who were intentionally exposed to the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 developed mild symptoms — if any — in a first-of-its-kind COVID-19 human-challenge study.

That doesn't mean they weren't contagious.

> The first participants received a very low dose — roughly equivalent to the amount of virus in a single droplet of nasal fluid — of a virus strain that circulated in the United Kingdom in early 2020. Researchers anticipated that a higher dose would be needed to infect a majority of participants, says Andrew Catchpole, chief scientific officer of hVIVO. But the starting dose successfully infected more than half of the participants.

> The virus replicated incredibly rapidly in those who became infected. On average, people developed their first symptoms and tested positive, using sensitive PCR tests, less than two days after exposure, on average. That contrasts with the roughly five-day ‘incubation period’ that real-world epidemiological studies have documented between a probable exposure and symptoms. High viral levels persisted for an average of 9 days, and up to 12 days.

[amluto]

> Attitudes like yours are why it kept spreading instead of petering out.

Defining “why” can be a complex exercise, but let’s take a very simple approach: if there were not attitudes like the GP and everyone who could got vaccinated, would COVID have petered out? I don’t think so.

It’s plausible that, if enough production capacity had existed to rapidly vaccinate, say, 85% of the world population, evenly distributed, that it would have worked. But getting a uniform 85% was never in the cards, and, starting some time in 2021, the vaccine was nowhere near effective enough for a two-dose series to suppress transmission even with 100% coverage.

Sorry, but the idea of eliminating Covid with the vaccines we have was a nice fantasy, but it was not going to happen.

(If the vaccine were much better and had good worldwide coverage, then maybe. The smallpox vaccine was good enough. The measles and chickenpox vaccines are plausibly good enough. The oral polio vaccine might be good enough, but I have serious doubts that the strategy with which it’s used is actually appropriate. Somehow there does not appear to be community transmission of polio in New York right now, and I’m a bit surprised.

(People under about 23 years old in the US have generally received the injectable polio vaccine, not the oral vaccine. The injectable vaccine seems to be generally considered inadequate to prevent transmission. Maybe the under 23 year old NY population coupled with modern hygiene is not actually able to sustain an outbreak?)

[anonymouskimmer]

I didn't write "vaccinate". I wrote: "I'm god damn sick of people not caring about spreading disease, whether vaccinated, or not."

Since you aren't discussing the topic I wrote about, I won't reply further.

[r0l1]

Sorry, but I have a complete different position on this topic. However I respect your opinion.

[anonymouskimmer]

My opinion doesn't lead to harm to other people, so you'll understand why I don't respect yours. Your right to swing your infected spittle ends where other people's mouths and noses begin.

[dxhdr]

> My opinion doesn't lead to harm to other people, so you'll understand why I don't respect yours. Your right to swing your infected spittle ends where other people's mouths and noses begin.

Don't you have the ability to stay home and avoid breathing near other humans if you're so concerned? I'm confused by that statement. How is demanding reduced freedom for him more just than simply exercising your own?

[anonymouskimmer]

This isn't about me. I'm not concerned about catching diseases. I'm concerned about acting as a vector for disease spread and mutation.

And no, I'm not a programmer. My job isn't remoteable outside of the occasional paperwork or Zoom meeting. I can't stay home.

[spondylosaurus]

Why didn't we let Typhoid Mary roam free and simply tell other people to avoid her if they didn't want to get typhoid fever?

Come on now.

[eru]

To be fair, Covid was never all that dangerous (in a statistical sense) for relatively young, relatively healthy people.

Of course, in the beginning that wasn't clear. And you might still want to get vaccinated, to decrease the likelihood of you passing the virus to your older relatives.

[r0l1]

See my other comment. My circle consists of people up to 89 years. Thanks for the hint, but I am not convinced of the vaccine. I'll continue doing my stuff and it's my own responsibility.

[eru]

Do what you need to, I'm not your parent. (And likely I don't even live on the same continent as you.)

Do keep in mind that having been lucky so far doesn't necessarily prove that playing with fire is safe.

[op00to]

Did you get a test to see if you actually avoided Covid?

[r0l1]

We did normal Covid tests for work. Maybe I should do an antibody test. Would be interesting...

[op00to]

I was very interested at the results of my spouse's antibody test! It was negative, and we thought for sure she had antibodies from infection. I have no scientific evidence, but she has genetic abnormalities in certain blood proteins, and I wonder if that assists with her resisting the infection!

[mistrial9]

antibodies are only measurable for a short time; long-term ability to defend is "learned" by the immune system but not measurable in any ordinary way; here in California coastal area there is a lot of social pressure about vaccination. Random people still insist that vaccination is important for healthy adults and sometimes under-18.

[anonymouskimmer]

Unless you've been infected within the last 6 months or so at this point an antibody test is probably useless.