[menus]

> "But I think the greater Reddit community just want to participate with their fellow community members." > "The protest, what it really affects is the everyday users, most of whom aren't involved in this, or the changes that spurred this,"

Its amazing how we butchered the protest into the regular 'us vs them' situation seen in everything: politicize everything, pitch people against people, while the person on the top reaps the money and enjoyment from the drama.

> Huffman said negotiations have broken down with two of the most popular apps, Apollo and Reddit is Fun, but he said Reddit is willing to negotiate with most third-party developers.

Wow. You accuse him of blackmailing you for 10 million, get caught red handed (1) then say that negotiations "broke down"? I want to hear what happened with rif from the developer. I hope he recorded his calls too.

(1) https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_w...

[croutonwagon]

Let us not forget many other app develops revealing they got the ghost up until at least the ama and he was all “woops”

I find it ironic he says they should grow up. You know who makes up narratives in their head and when challenged on it still tries dig in and blame me. My 5 and 7 year old…

There’s your sign.

[ahahahahah]

> You accuse him of blackmailing you for 10 million, get caught red handed (1)

The apollo dev's framing of the call is so disingenuous. When you want to extort a company like he did, it goes like this:

1. you float the idea somewhat ambiguously with some plausible deniability

Then either:

2a. the company seems receptive, that didn't happen here so no need to follow that path

2b. the company rebuffs the idea

3. you switch to your plausible deniability case

4. the company accepts your new framing of your extortion attempt for one of many reasons (maybe it's too much hassle to hold you to what you really meant, or they still want to continue working with you, etc). they might even say something like "oh sorry, i misunderstood you earlier", but of course it's really just how you navigate that situation.

To then go and take their response at (4) and say "oh, even they admitted that they misunderstood me" is disingenuous.

[Jcowell]

What’s the disingeniuty? The proposal from Apollo’s whether it was a joke or a genuine one, was business. “Apollo’s is so good that people rather use it than your official app? Buy it”. The only distinguity here is to act like Apollo has any power in this situation.

> To then go and take their response at (4) and say "oh, even they admitted that they misunderstood me" is disingenuous

it’s not disingenuous when they literally apologized , multiple times , in that call that they misunderstood. Literally

[flandish]

It’s a corporation. It is never about community. Only ever profit. The manufactured fracture of us vs them is a tactic of distraction.

[red-iron-pine]

Careful now, you're posting on HN. Venture capitalist incubator... which funded Reddit.

It was only ever about profit, why would you think otherwise?

[flandish]

I don’t think people “think” otherwise, but they do apply human “ideals” or “emotion” to corporate action and while corps are run by humans they are not themselves human, obviously.

So it’s a slippery distractive slope.

[JohnFen]

Well he did say "It's time we grow up and behave like an adult company". That's not far out of line with how large tech companies tend to operate.

[checker659]

How do we know the Apollo guy is innocent either? I get a populist kind of vibe from him.

[Solvency]

Um. Copious phone/meeting recordings he shared that you can listen to yourself?

[redmerchant2]

He posted recordings of all the calls. Feel free to review those before spreading FUD.

Reddit has not disputed the validity of the recordings either.

[checker659]

It’s a he said she said situation. There is no demonstrable fact so to say.

[richbell]

It's demonstrably not, considering there are full audio recordings and transcripts.