[anotherlove]

We have distinct words to define those distinct groups. There are certainly communities that are "only" offensive, not terrorist nor criminal, but should be lumped in with those groups nevertheless?

Perhaps the author of the post you responded to was referring to this sort of absurdity.

[master-lincoln]

These distinct groups are united in advancing hatred, so in this context it seemed to make sense to lump them together, no?

[crackercrews]

Many groups advance hatred. From the right, there are groups that hate transgender-advocacy groups that do youth outreach. From the left, the feeling is reciprocated.

Depending whom you ask, these groups are either hate groups or "saving our youth".

[dragontamer]

"Hate Groups" are defined as groups that hate a protected class.

IE: Its fine to hate Nazis, because Nazis are not a protected class. Its not fine to hate Transgender people, because Transgender people are a protected class.

Its fine to hate "hate groups", because "hate groups" are not a protected class.

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The problem is not with "hating on hate groups". I'm pretty sure there are people who want men to be a protected class (IE: Mens' rights groups). Which... I dunno if that's a good idea and the groups that advocate that are kinda icky. But sure, we can debate whether or not that's needed.

But if the debate is "hate groups are ambiguous and illogical", I'm going to have to disagree with you. Its just that we don't consider white people or men to be protected classes, and that's what pisses some people off.

At the extreme end: at no point should Nazis or Ku Klux Klan ever be considered a protected class. Trying to minimize these group's influence on our society is the entire damn point of this hate-group definition.

[crackercrews]

What about hating on a orthodox Jews, or Muslims, on account of their beliefs about transgenderism? Aren't they protected classes?

[dragontamer]

> Muslims

Muslims isn't a specific enough group.

I'm 100% perfectly cool with calling Al Qaeda or ISIS a hate group.

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I'm 100% cool with calling the Westboro Baptist Church a Hate Group.

Just making them religious doesn't change them from being a hate group, or immune from criticism.

[crackercrews]

You missed the point. I was asking if a group that hated orthodox religious groups would be considered a hate group. You are addressing whether religious groups can be hate groups.

[dragontamer]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_group

Hate Groups are well defined and well understood, and the usage of the term has spanned over a generation of people without much ambiguity.

[crackercrews]

The SPLC has muddied the waters on this question. Even when hate group numbers decrease, they show the opposite. [1]

1: https://reason.com/2023/06/09/southern-poverty-law-center-mo...