[crackercrews]

Many groups advance hatred. From the right, there are groups that hate transgender-advocacy groups that do youth outreach. From the left, the feeling is reciprocated.

Depending whom you ask, these groups are either hate groups or "saving our youth".

[dragontamer]

"Hate Groups" are defined as groups that hate a protected class.

IE: Its fine to hate Nazis, because Nazis are not a protected class. Its not fine to hate Transgender people, because Transgender people are a protected class.

Its fine to hate "hate groups", because "hate groups" are not a protected class.

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The problem is not with "hating on hate groups". I'm pretty sure there are people who want men to be a protected class (IE: Mens' rights groups). Which... I dunno if that's a good idea and the groups that advocate that are kinda icky. But sure, we can debate whether or not that's needed.

But if the debate is "hate groups are ambiguous and illogical", I'm going to have to disagree with you. Its just that we don't consider white people or men to be protected classes, and that's what pisses some people off.

At the extreme end: at no point should Nazis or Ku Klux Klan ever be considered a protected class. Trying to minimize these group's influence on our society is the entire damn point of this hate-group definition.

[crackercrews]

What about hating on a orthodox Jews, or Muslims, on account of their beliefs about transgenderism? Aren't they protected classes?

[dragontamer]

> Muslims

Muslims isn't a specific enough group.

I'm 100% perfectly cool with calling Al Qaeda or ISIS a hate group.

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I'm 100% cool with calling the Westboro Baptist Church a Hate Group.

Just making them religious doesn't change them from being a hate group, or immune from criticism.

[crackercrews]

You missed the point. I was asking if a group that hated orthodox religious groups would be considered a hate group. You are addressing whether religious groups can be hate groups.

[dragontamer]

I'm trying my best to name real-life organizations that match my real-life experience here, and you're seemingly trying to come up with hypothetical examples that may or may not have any relevance to the real world.

Could you give me an example of these organizations that are giving you such trouble in classifying hate group vs not-hate group?

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Like, who exactly are you trying to describe? Are you calling Militant Atheists a hate group (or a candidate for hate groups?) The Satanic Temple?

I'm certainly aware of militant atheist groups if that's where you're trying to go. All of them are "anti-religion", but I wouldn't call any of them a hate group. As a Catholic myself, I've had to deal with their anti-religion and anti-Christian bias. But I've never felt personally threatened, or physically threatened by them.

[crackercrews]

You aren't aware that LGBTQ+ advocacy groups are opposed to some religious groups? And that their their opposition is because of the religious beliefs? This is not a secret.