[realjhol]

> I'm hoping that in a decade or so, people will stop using "vaccines never prevented transmission" as an argument since it has been said at least a billion of times since the beginning, VACCINES PREVENTED SERIOUS ILLNESS.

No. They said vaccines prevent transmission. Over and over.

You may have forgotten what was said at the time, but we won't:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1665770269418614784

It's the reason I was prevented from entering the US until just a couple of weeks ago. It's the reason why my mother-in-law lost her job as a nurse. People who refused this medical treatment, were treated as dangerous because officials claimed that we presented a transmission hazard.

This was a lie, which you are further compounding with more lies.

[Manjuuu]

I don't forget anything. As I can't forget all the times that I had to explain, since the beginning, that the only statistics available where about reducing to 0 the risk of serious illness. Don't try to change history, please.

And don't link me some random idiot's tweet as proof, we are better than this.

Just stop now and accept reality, it's a good thing that they got rid of your mother in law, I wonder in how much more pseudo science she believes in.

Where I live, people that refused the vaccine were treated as utter idiots but still welcome in hospitals, most of the famous local covid denier died there too.

[realjhol]

> And don't link me some random idiot's tweet as proof, we are better than this.

Watch the video clip in the tweet. It shows a montage of officials and talking heads claiming that the COVID vaccines would prevent you from getting COVID and transmitting it.

Here's another one if you prefer:

https://twitter.com/alliemarie777/status/1667561378398318592

> Just stop now and accept reality, it's a good thing that they got rid of your mother in law, I wonder in how much more pseudo science she believes in.

No it isn't. The NHS now has chronic shortage of nurses.

If there were a problem with pseudoscience, then they should have fired her for that, not some vague proxy.

You're rather proving my point. So many people are just not ready to have a rational conversation about these narratives. It's all just tribalism and dogma, and we will have to wait years for people like you to calm down to the point where you are able to have reasonably conversations on these topics again.

[Manjuuu]

> The NHS now has chronic shortage of nurses.

Why? Because it's not an attractive profession nowadays. Not for the few hundreds of deniers that were fired.

> You're rather proving my point. So many people are just not ready to have a rational conversation about these narratives. It's all just tribalism and dogma, and we will have to wait years for people like you to calm down to the point where you are able to have reasonably conversations on these topics again.

I haven't seen any rational or unique point in everything you have written, only spitting the usual covid deniers nonsense.

You know what my real fear is? The fear that people that have this kind of opinions regarding the pandemic will apply the same reasoning to the next one or to the next crisis. I have a different opinion of preppers now.

[realjhol]

So did you watch the montage?

If so, please admit that you were wrong when you made this comment:

> I'm hoping that in a decade or so, people will stop using "vaccines never prevented transmission" as an argument since it has been said at least a billion of times since the beginning, VACCINES PREVENTED SERIOUS ILLNESS.

My montage showed you (if you had watched it), many talking heads and officials at the time accusing the unvaccinated of increasing transmission.

The rest of your remarks about "covid deniers" are irrelevant to the point.

[Manjuuu]

Nope, I don't plan to watch anything, feel free to indulge in your beliefs.

[realjhol]

Yes - this is my point.

So many of you people have become so emotionally invested in the false narratives that you have believed, that you can't cope with any evidence that threatens your narrative even slightly.

At least we can talk about the "lab leak theory" now. This was the original point I made: it will take years for people to climb down these positions they have taken, but at least we are making small steps in the right direction.