[HyperSane]

You are speaking complete rubbish. Trump didn't have a right to those docs, and he knew it. And speaking of dictators, Trump did try very hard to overturn a fair election he lost.

Indictment says Trump lied, schemed to keep highly classified secrets The former president faces 37 criminal charges. His longtime valet, Walt Nauta, faces six charges. Former president Donald Trump stashed sensitive intelligence secrets in a bathroom, his bedroom and a ballroom at Mar-a-Lago, according to a scathing 49-page indictment unsealed Friday against him and a loyal servant who is accused of lying to cover up his boss’s alleged crimes.

The grand jury indictment tells a story of hubris and hypocrisy, describing a wealthy former president living among neck-high stacks of boxes with classified documents scattered inside them, sometimes literally spilling out of their containers. In the prosecutors’ telling, neither Trump nor any of his aides or lawyers appeared bothered by the sprawl of sensitive papers until government agents came calling. Then, the former commander in chief allegedly set out to hide some of what he had.

[dukeofdoom]

We don't have a Constitutionally permitted secret police with power over the President about secrecy. It just can't be that way and have a functioning democracy. President is commander-in-chief under Constitution. He determines what's classified. Espionage Act doesn't apply to him. Finally, The Presidential Records Act (PRA) allows a President access to documents, both classified and unclassified, once he leaves office.

>Former president Donald Trump stashed sensitive intelligence secrets in a >bathroom, his bedroom and a ballroom at Mar-a-Lago,

You mean like a bathroom in a hotel room turned into a storage room. The horror, lol. The Mar-A-Lago is a large hotel and his residence. Part of it is public the other private. There is security guarding one from the other. Literally nonsense. You're being manipulated by out of context pictures, of boxes that you don't even know what those boxes contain.

> The grand jury indictment tells a story of ...

The prosecution will always frame their accusations in a most biased damming way. And routinely make allegations that are false or unprovable. The Grand Jury will only hear their side.

[HyperSane]

"We don't have a Constitutionally permitted secret police with power over the President about secrecy."

Yes we do. If you think any president can read any classified document he wants to you are completely wrong.

> He determines what's classified

False, and Trump is a very good example of why it would be a very bad idea.

> You mean like a bathroom in a hotel room turned into a storage room.

When will you freaks get tired of selling your souls to defend this complete dumpster fire of a human being?

[dukeofdoom]

Sorry but that's incorrect. The President is granted access to classified information on a need-to-know basis, meaning they must have a legitimate reason to access that particular information for the purpose of carrying out their duties. This is the only restriction, if the bureaucrats are following the law, and he's following the law, he will get access to any secret information if he needs it.

If you think about it, it must be this way because otherwise a secret government would in charge. In fact this is what the entire confrontation is about.

Do we want the only elected representative, and the Person on top of the Executive branch, to be able to tell us what the government is up to. Or do we want a deepstate shadowy government that commits crimes, and has the right to even censor the president from telling us about it.

Keep in mind at least with the president, you can vote in or vote out. You can't get rid of the shadowy bureaucrats, that don't need your vote.

They're about to spend multiple billions of dollars on a new gigantic FBI headquarters. Do you want these giant organizations sucking up more and more control over your government and people.