[HyperSane]

"We don't have a Constitutionally permitted secret police with power over the President about secrecy."

Yes we do. If you think any president can read any classified document he wants to you are completely wrong.

> He determines what's classified

False, and Trump is a very good example of why it would be a very bad idea.

> You mean like a bathroom in a hotel room turned into a storage room.

When will you freaks get tired of selling your souls to defend this complete dumpster fire of a human being?

[dukeofdoom]

Sorry but that's incorrect. The President is granted access to classified information on a need-to-know basis, meaning they must have a legitimate reason to access that particular information for the purpose of carrying out their duties. This is the only restriction, if the bureaucrats are following the law, and he's following the law, he will get access to any secret information if he needs it.

If you think about it, it must be this way because otherwise a secret government would in charge. In fact this is what the entire confrontation is about.

Do we want the only elected representative, and the Person on top of the Executive branch, to be able to tell us what the government is up to. Or do we want a deepstate shadowy government that commits crimes, and has the right to even censor the president from telling us about it.

Keep in mind at least with the president, you can vote in or vote out. You can't get rid of the shadowy bureaucrats, that don't need your vote.

They're about to spend multiple billions of dollars on a new gigantic FBI headquarters. Do you want these giant organizations sucking up more and more control over your government and people.