[promocha]

This makes sense as Ford just adopted Tesla's NACS (North American Charging Standard) and GM would logically follow. We can now assume that the charging industry is disrupted by Tesla's NACS. Existing EV charging companies for ex. EVGO would need to upgrade all their chargers to adopt Tesla's connector.

Currently none of the existing chargers, if it all, work with Teslas. The worst thing of this all Tesla would start selling chargers to networks and only moat existing charging companies have is the 10-15 years leases they have on charging sites.

Another thing I haven't seen mentioned in comments is that CCS standard is owned by BMW and they charge $50 patent fee on each connection.

[gwbas1c]

> Currently none of the existing chargers, if it all, work with Teslas.

100% Wrong

I can plug my Teslas into any J1772 charger with a dongle. I don't even use a Tesla charger at home. It's the same protocol, just a different plug shape.

I didn't buy the CCS adapter for my newer Tesla because there's a supercharger everywhere I want to go, and they're much more reliable. (That's also why I haven't paid to upgrade my older Tesla to be CCS compatible.)

[toomuchtodo]

Tesla provides a J1772 adapter with each vehicle to use with existing level 2 charging stations with a J1772 plug. Purchased separately, they are $50.

Selfishly, I am looking forward to no longer needing to carry this around when chargers all go NACS.

https://shop.tesla.com/product/sae-j1772-charging-adapter

[andrewmunsell]

Others have pointed out the J1772 adapter, but EVGo already has DC fast chargers with a Tesla plug on it natively: https://www.evgo.com/tesla/

[clouddrover]

> Currently none of the existing chargers, if it all, work with Teslas.

They all work with Tesla models that support CCS. In North America it means buying a dumb adapter. In Europe everything is on CCS type 2 Combo so no adapter is needed and all brands of charger charge all brands of EV.

None of the reports around these NACS deals talk about which protocol will be used. They may end up using the CCS protocol with Tesla's plug.

Ultimately this is all the continued failure of North America to pick an EV charging standard. Incompatible infrastructure is a stupid outcome that's bad for everyone. It sounds like there's still years to go for North America to catch up to Europe.

[gwbas1c]

> Ultimately this is all the continued failure of North America to pick an EV charging standard. ... It sounds like there's still years to go for North America to catch up to Europe.

Doubtful. I suspect that the US will standardize on NACS soon.

Then Europe will be playing catch up because it has a bulky charger connector compared to the US and China.

[clouddrover]

> I suspect that the US will standardize on NACS soon.

"Soon" being years away. So slow. The US is years behind as is.

> Then Europe will be playing catch up

What on earth are you talking about? All brands of charger charge all brands of EV in Europe. It's one of the reasons the European EV market is bigger than the North American market. There's been more common sense applied to infrastructure.

[gwbas1c]

"Together, Ford, Tesla, and GM represent nearly three-quarters of the EV market in the US — or 72 percent."

https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/9/23755184/tesla-ev-charging...

Europe will be stuck with a clunky CCS plug when the US has a lighter and easier to use plug.

Once these things get established, they are hard to change: In the US our 120 volt household wiring really limits appliances. "Instant" teakettles are common in the UK, and don't require special outlets. In the US, an "instant" teakettle would require a special outlet.

That's what happens when a country standardizes too early: The US had domestic electricity first... And picked a worse standard as a result.

[clouddrover]

> Europe will be stuck with a clunky CCS plug when the US has a lighter and easier to use plug

It isn't clunky. That's a bizarre claim to make and plainly not based on any practical experience with the CCS type 2 combo plug.

Europe has simply done EV infrastructure better than the US. The European EV market is bigger. The European charging networks are better, faster, and growing every month.

Feebly attempting to argue otherwise is childish. The proof is in the field and internet theorizing doesn't change that.

> In the US our 120 volt household wiring really limits appliances.

Wot, you mean like how Tesla chargers are 400 volt which limits 800+ volt EVs from charging at their maximum kilowatts? Plenty of CCS chargers already support 800 volt cars. It will take a number of years for Tesla to roll out upgrades to get all their chargers up to spec.

[gwbas1c]

I have plenty of experience with both.

Accusing me of being childish just shows that you're reverting to ad-hominin attacks instead of looking at the merits of the situation.

[kcb]

I have a J1772 and a CCS adapter for my Tesla. If Ford and GM also support these adapters then it's really no negative impact.

[throwaway5959]

There is for Hyundai/Kia and VW owners though as we won’t have access to a charging network when EA goes bust.

[kcb]

NACS to CCS adapters should be possible. Tesla is already doing it on their chargers that support magic dock.