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by clouddrover 1112 days ago
> Currently none of the existing chargers, if it all, work with Teslas.

They all work with Tesla models that support CCS. In North America it means buying a dumb adapter. In Europe everything is on CCS type 2 Combo so no adapter is needed and all brands of charger charge all brands of EV.

None of the reports around these NACS deals talk about which protocol will be used. They may end up using the CCS protocol with Tesla's plug.

Ultimately this is all the continued failure of North America to pick an EV charging standard. Incompatible infrastructure is a stupid outcome that's bad for everyone. It sounds like there's still years to go for North America to catch up to Europe.
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gwbas1c 1112 days ago
> Ultimately this is all the continued failure of North America to pick an EV charging standard. ... It sounds like there's still years to go for North America to catch up to Europe.

Doubtful. I suspect that the US will standardize on NACS soon.

Then Europe will be playing catch up because it has a bulky charger connector compared to the US and China.

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clouddrover 1112 days ago
> I suspect that the US will standardize on NACS soon.

"Soon" being years away. So slow. The US is years behind as is.

> Then Europe will be playing catch up

What on earth are you talking about? All brands of charger charge all brands of EV in Europe. It's one of the reasons the European EV market is bigger than the North American market. There's been more common sense applied to infrastructure.

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gwbas1c 1111 days ago
"Together, Ford, Tesla, and GM represent nearly three-quarters of the EV market in the US — or 72 percent."

https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/9/23755184/tesla-ev-charging...

Europe will be stuck with a clunky CCS plug when the US has a lighter and easier to use plug.

Once these things get established, they are hard to change: In the US our 120 volt household wiring really limits appliances. "Instant" teakettles are common in the UK, and don't require special outlets. In the US, an "instant" teakettle would require a special outlet.

That's what happens when a country standardizes too early: The US had domestic electricity first... And picked a worse standard as a result.

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clouddrover 1111 days ago
> Europe will be stuck with a clunky CCS plug when the US has a lighter and easier to use plug

It isn't clunky. That's a bizarre claim to make and plainly not based on any practical experience with the CCS type 2 combo plug.

Europe has simply done EV infrastructure better than the US. The European EV market is bigger. The European charging networks are better, faster, and growing every month.

Feebly attempting to argue otherwise is childish. The proof is in the field and internet theorizing doesn't change that.

> In the US our 120 volt household wiring really limits appliances.

Wot, you mean like how Tesla chargers are 400 volt which limits 800+ volt EVs from charging at their maximum kilowatts? Plenty of CCS chargers already support 800 volt cars. It will take a number of years for Tesla to roll out upgrades to get all their chargers up to spec.

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gwbas1c 1108 days ago
I have plenty of experience with both.

Accusing me of being childish just shows that you're reverting to ad-hominin attacks instead of looking at the merits of the situation.

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clouddrover 1108 days ago
> I have plenty of experience with both.

You plainly don't.

> Accusing me of being childish just shows that you're reverting to ad-hominin attacks

It's no insult to assess you correctly.

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