[ok_dad]

I seriously don’t understand people whose ethics accept that some folks will just die because they don’t want to pay an extra few dollars in taxes. You grew up here, your success or failure depends on the health of our society in many ways, and our society is falling apart because opportunistic capitalists drain all of the productivity with very little gain for the average person since the 70s. I guess we can keep playing Wild West until our country falls apart from malignant cases of not caring about your fellow human.

[pfannkuchen]

This is a great example of why discussing politics on the internet is annoying. People assume others’ positions and yell past each other.

Not making healthcare a “right” does not preclude having a government run health care system. Why would it?

[Sakos]

Because generally the argument of "it doesn't need to be a right" is coupled with arguing why universal healthcare is bad.

Your comment is a great example for how people try to muddy the waters and distract from the issues at stake.

[pgwhalen]

Fwiw, I am strongly pro universal health care, but agree with pfannkuchen’s framing of what a right is. I see it as clarifying position, not a muddying one.

Healthcare requires resources, it doesn’t happen just because everyone agrees upon it. We must structure our society to provide those resources, so all its members can be provided healthcare.

[ok_dad]

Well if it’s not a right but everyone must get it, what’s that called? A right is pretty close.