[pfannkuchen]

This is a great example of why discussing politics on the internet is annoying. People assume others’ positions and yell past each other.

Not making healthcare a “right” does not preclude having a government run health care system. Why would it?

[Sakos]

Because generally the argument of "it doesn't need to be a right" is coupled with arguing why universal healthcare is bad.

Your comment is a great example for how people try to muddy the waters and distract from the issues at stake.

[pgwhalen]

Fwiw, I am strongly pro universal health care, but agree with pfannkuchen’s framing of what a right is. I see it as clarifying position, not a muddying one.

Healthcare requires resources, it doesn’t happen just because everyone agrees upon it. We must structure our society to provide those resources, so all its members can be provided healthcare.

[ok_dad]

Well if it’s not a right but everyone must get it, what’s that called? A right is pretty close.