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by ineedausername 1124 days ago
There is no "ai" revolution and nothing is being transformed. Please enough of this already.
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Mind if I ask what decade your age is?

The appearance of LLMs has been the strangest phenomenon. If course not everyone agrees, but I feel like I'm watching the arrival of the automobile and am having people say to me "It's loud, it's slow and it breaks down often. There's nothing to see here. It's just a fad.".

Just about everyone in tech I know in person in their 40s and above, believe this will be the biggest thing since the internet. People who have been in tech long enough to actually see transformative technologies arrive - People who saw the rise of the web, and dotcom bubble, and open source, and mobile w/ app stores... They all are looking at this and saying this is gonna be huge.

And for the most part the people pushing how big it isn't going to be mostly seem to be in their 20s and 30s who haven't really lived through a tech revolution who are saying it's not much, and over hyped. People who have grown up during the hype bubble, where grifters have been hocking crypto or NFTs or rug pull du jour seem to be least excited. As one of the people in the older category, I'm starting to think another casualty of the hype bubble era is lots of technologists (especially younger) now have trouble recognizing revolutionary technology.

In the end, one of these two camps will be wrong. Each assumes it will be the other. It's just incredible to see the split in opinion.

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Note: The internet is large enough that there are obviously people who are outliers to the above categories on the internet, but the general trend seems to hold.

I'm in my thirties. I might fall into the category of having trouble recognizing revolutionary technology as you say.

> They all are looking at this and saying this is gonna be huge.

It's beyond me why would anyone assume an LLM that's already been trained in most relevant and available data will just keep becoming somehow way better and smarter. I get that it has it's uses, but what do they mean by huge anyway, theoretically it could end up a huge mess too.

> an LLM that's already been trained in most relevant and available data

Source? Are you referring to gpt 4?

What about private data sets / corporate IP?

What about my private data, such message and email history, contacts’ available or privately shareable data, my photo and video library, and health data?

Presuming all of this was included in an LLM directly or as some kind of additional LORAs.

It seems clear to me that the tooling and resource requirements prevent anything near full accessibility of the content that is there.

Exact opposite experience on my end - impressionable gen-z kids, and people with minimal background on the topic,* are seeing it as the second coming of christ, where as all the math-and-adjacent PhDs, especially ML-focused, I work with are not buying the hype.

* There's really bizarre tendency of that group to woo-woo and anthropomorphize all those language models. I get answers like "oh it just knows" or "you should try it" when asking probing/hypothetical question.

Today's AI(ML) is "just" big statistics. And so ...

The math-and-adjacent cohort you mention would like to avoid another "AI winter".

It's possible "you should try it" is a UX use case indicator that (perhaps akin to engineers who don't understand why normies buy iPhones) those telling you this feel you're missing something essential about the experience of this tech's utility: "You may be right, but this works for me, while whatever else you're on about ... doesn't."

As for woo woo, this is the first time the big statistics are indistinguishable from magic for them, passing the Turing Test en masse.

Highly educated people spent a very long time creating a moat economically with their intelligence. Now, a being of intelligence can augment anyone without having to waste most of their lives learning, and most of professionally brain work is about to be obsolete.

Who has more to lose with the advent of such a tool?

My partner that is just learning programming, first asks the doubts to CHAT-GPT and most of the time the explanation and details are good, specific to her issue and easy to understand.

Compare that to a list of examples and documentation on generic issues/topics, without ever going into the specifics of a reasonable question.

Apply this to any kind of knowledge.

I think that it is a wonderful tool for education, and it is indeed changing the pace at which people learn.

I’ve been teaching myself to code for the last 8-10 months. ChatGPT has greatly accelerated my learning. If I want to accomplish something, I can ask GPT to give me an overview of frameworks, tools, and design processes to accomplish it - stuff I would normally ask on Stackoverflow (and get scolded).

I also like that it’s a judgment free tool where I can ask as dumb a question as possible without fear of being mocked or chastised.

As a professional with >20 years of experience, I used ChatGPT for the same purpose recently, just with way more difficult programming concepts.

I wanted to learn how transformers and attention mechanisms work in details. After reading a bunch of books I went into analysing an example LLaMa implementation in NumPy - since it was just a few hundred lines, I pasted all the code into ChatGPT, and kept discussing the most difficult lines.

It was extremely useful in that role. Broke down with some more complicated matrix computations and some nuances of attention mechanisms, but besides that - worked awesome.

When was the last time that a hype of this magnitude blew every other conversational topic away? Something is being transformed all right, the interesting question is how long it will last.
My guess is when enough LLM tools have been created for various use cases, until the insurmountable flaws of their nature are finally broadly realized (of course not implying there's no usefulness to them).
Agreed. And if this fad lasts long enough for future generations to remember, they'll make fun of us for calling it “AI”. It's the equivalent of believing in the existence of witches and devils. It may be explainable in light of the standards of the time, but it still makes us look, er, unintelligent.
Over the past 3+ years we seemed to be on one hyper sensational train after another, mrna was transforming medicine and making every other vaccine obsolete, Ukraine was defeating a super power in 3 months, now AI is taking over every job on the planet.

The Great Narrative is in full swing, spoilers it's all bullshit.

Paul Krugman, is that you?