[Avshalom]

Well if they had houses they'd be naked and shitting in their house, if they had housing they'd be smoking fentanyl in their house. So at least y'all'd stop going on and fucking on about "open air drug markets" and "the city looks like something out of mad max". It might not solve their problems, but it would solve yours.

[Pigalowda]

No - it doesn’t solve anything. Some cheap crappy collection of houses that are “maintained” by whom? The psychotics and fentanyl users? The “solution” creates a ghetto that has to be maintained by city expenditure. And after that dumb expensive mess fails, then what?

Maybe that’s your neolib solution this entire time - ghettos. Typical.

[Avshalom]

neoliberalism is (broadly) an ideology that markets are/will-find the optimal solution for everything. Giving people housing, not being a market-based-solution, is not neoliberalism.

Also yes, maintained by city expenditure, it's been shown time and time again that housing is way fucking cheaper than a combination of policing and emergency medicine.

that's not even to touch the moral/ethical imperative that human life has intrinsic value and we should strive to provide everyone with the resources and dignity that they need.

For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you made me welcome, lacking clothes and you clothed me, sick and you visited me, in prison and you came to see me.

If it fails, then what is the question you need to answer, because my answer is: keep trying.

[Pigalowda]

Yes yes very righteous and unproductive.

My answer: 3 strike rule and semi permanent sequestration by the state.

You get your cheap housing after all.

[Avshalom]

"sequestration"

Incarceration.

Slave labor.

Because you saw a penis three times.

[Pigalowda]

Personally I’d rather the US revisit O’Connor v. Donaldson. Because these people are completely incapable of living safely. There’s constant overdoses, constant deadly auto v peds, and constant severe transmittable disease.

If the US allowed it again then these people should be sequestered in psychiatric units which can be comfortable and have amenities after the psychotic and bipolar have been stabilized. Rehabilitation centers for the addicted and managed convalescence centers. If they keep at their previous behaviors then they get longer and longer stays in sequestration.

If you want prisons and slaves - fine. If that’s your uncreative pitiful solution besides throwing cash away and creating ghettos, so be it. I’m not sure what the penis comment is about.

[Avshalom]

>centers.

That they're not allowed to leave?

>which can be comfortable and have amenities

That have to be maintained by city expenditure?

You're not even describing "prison with extra steps" you're just describing prison.

[Avshalom]

And when they get discharged from these "comfortable" psych units and still have no housing... what then?

[Avshalom]

Also, what about the ones that don't have psychiatric problems (i.e. the vast majority of the unhoused)?

[hotpotamus]

I wish everyone would get vaccinated against transmittable diseases to include covid and influenza, but if I started saying the government should mandate it, I'd be called an authoritarian. Forcing psychotropic drugs into people seems like quite a step beyond that.

Also, apparently these homeless people have much better insurance than I do if it's feasible for them to live in psychiatric hospitals with any kind of amenity.